AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I wanna run a turbo 4-cylinder in my Z but the only part I don't like about that is the long intercooler piping unless you do a V-mount. I was wondering if there's any other options for cooling the air flow? I thought there may be something new out there or maybe someone has an idea that they think may work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerstar Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 water/meth injection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 I thought that was for running higher boost on pump gas, I guess it can be used to eliminate an intercooler too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1ghtymaxXx Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 air to water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 Well this is a street vehicle so I dont want to have to have something that would have to be drained and refilled all the time with ice water (air to water). That may eliminate the water/meth injection too, I haven't heard anything about how long the reservoir stays filled or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted March 15, 2009 Administrators Share Posted March 15, 2009 Grim, the water is not consumed, just circulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 But the water will warm up though, becoming a lot less effective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skib Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 water/meth, a Jpipe like the stoker L28et I personally would sacrifice a bit in the looks to gain good solid cooling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 If I do an intercooler it will be a V-mount. But I was hoping their was some new miracle thing out that could eliminate it, long shot but worth trying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted March 15, 2009 Administrators Share Posted March 15, 2009 But the water will warm up though, becoming a lot less effective So do air/air intercoolers. As TonyD would say, it's system capacitance that you're after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra510 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I don't know what boost you're planning on running, but that aside consider the following. I've run an air to water on my car for 9 years (Supra 7M-GTE engine in my 510) including multiple track days at Thunderhill in temps over 100 with no detonation at 16-17 psi. I do have water injection, however I've run those boost pressures without it with no issues. Get a good heat exchanger up front and a good pump and you should be fine. Again, not saying it's perfect or better than an air to air, but it worked for me in about as demanding conditions as you can expect any street car to live with. However it does bring a new level of complexity. Many feet of hoses, a pump to buy and wire, a tank to hold the water, a heat exchanger to plumb (mine had a fan also, so wire that too). But in IMO if you're just worried about whether it can do the job, you shouldn't, just make sure you have good supporting items (pump, heat exchanger, preferable ducted properly). All that said I'm just switch to air to air but for weight complexity issues, not because it didn't intercool effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyZ Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Why not just move the radiator and intercooler further back in the engine bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skib Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Why not just move the radiator and intercooler further back in the engine bay? and maybe add some ducting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyZ Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 and maybe add some ducting? Exactly. Too few guys do this when they drop in 4cyl and V6 motors or when setting back an I6, like me, or a compact V8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
510six Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 It would be a more complex alternative to mounting an air/air IC . Providing your ECU has a secondary injector control , methanol or E98 could be injected into the intake runner which both adds octain and cools the intake mixture. It would require an completely seperate fuel system tank, lines, injectors, regulator, but it worked like a charm in my 510. The datalogg shows an 90* temp drop with 35% methanol as total fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 What if you leave the radiator where it is but mount the intercooler behind it, closer to the engine and put an electric fan on the intercooler? Would this cool the air as much as if it were mounted right out front? This wouldn't have the intercooler in sight when looking at the front of the vehicle so it wouldn't be a dead give away that its modded, and would be less piping for better throttle response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleriousZ Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 paraffin wax intercooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkumaNoZeta Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Parrafin wax? Well...I was planning for adding air conditioning too, is there a way to use the refridgerant circulation to cool the charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo280zEd Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I'm confused here... what is your goal? A good running car or a sleeper? If you put the intercooler behind the radiator you are effectively feeding HOT air through the intercooler pretty much making it pointless to even have one IMO. If your worried about people seeing it... angle the rad and put the IC on the bottom and duct it. Or... paint it like others do. -confused- -Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(goldfish) Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Everyday air-water intercoolers have a radiator to cool the water down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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