Administrators BRAAP Posted September 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 10, 2009 Alright here... Just answer this for me please... Who the Hell is John Force and why should we care if he cheats or not? :lmao: HBZ quote of week right there... :lmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted September 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 10, 2009 http://www.johnforce.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoov100 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 http://www.johnforce.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Force No need to double post Braap, just go back an edit your original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi303 Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Hmm... so he's a funny car driver... those cars sure look funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy85 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 So what about losing is unsportsmanlike? Not saying I like it but losing isn't really cheating is it??? Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maichor Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Interesting discussion on this one. How do you guys feel about walking a batter? Or, maybe you just hit the batter with the ball and give him a base? The latter makes for better TV when the batter rushes the mound and the dugouts clear out to join the insanity. I don't really have a point, just thinking out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) So what about losing is unsportsmanlike? Not saying I like it but losing isn't really cheating is it? Cheating is basically intent and there are three judges on that intent: You're own, your competitors, and the sanctioning body. I'm a national level scrutineer for SCCA road racing and we catch people all the time not meeting the rules. The vast majority of these folks are not cheaters, they've made a mistake. Last weekend at the double regional at Buttonwillow there were two perfect examples of cheating and just making a mistake. After the qualifying session for the open wheel cars one of the Formula Mazda's came across the scales 11 lbs. underweight. The driver and crew chief both admitted that they made a mistake and under fueled the car for the session and accepted their grid position at the back of the field with grace. No one in Tech thought these guys were cheaters, they just made a mistake. A Formula Ford driver had 6 water bottles in his lap as he came up to the scales and was chugging down the 7th as fast as he could. I asked him to hand me the water bottles in his lap and he said no, he was overheated and needed to cool down. His wife and crew chief both agreed and said he was in danger of heat stroke. I said I'll radio for the ambulance. All three said, "No." I then asked again for the water bottles and they handed them over. That car scaled in 8 lbs. underweight. At that point their arguments began - "Unfair", "He's the fastest anyway and should start up front", "Its just a regional race so why are the car being weighed", "Your scales are wrong", "Its only 8 lbs." Those folks were cheaters. Edited September 11, 2009 by johnc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilC Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 A Formula Ford driver had 6 water bottles in his lap as he came up to the scales and was chugging down the 7th as fast as he could. I asked him to hand me the water bottles in his lap and he said no, he was overheated and needed to cool down. His wife and crew chief both agreed and said he was in danger of heat stroke. I said I'll radio for the ambulance. All three said, "No." I then asked again for the water bottles and they handed them over. That car scaled in 8 lbs. underweight. At that point their arguments began - "Unfair", "He's the fastest anyway and should start up front", "Its just a regional race so why are the car being weighed", "Your scales are wrong", "Its only 8 lbs." Those folks were cheaters. A gallon of water weighs 8.35 lbs. John, I have evn heard of people dumping the water right down their suit before they hit the scales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustnut Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 When I wrestled in High School before a meet we would cut arm and neck holes in trash bags and run in them for a couple miles and not eat for a day or two to cut weight before the weigh in. Then as soon as we made weight it was a mad rush to the nearest fast food joint to load up again. I think if your car makes weight when you cross the scales, where the weight is shouldn't matter. Like stated before "he who cheats best wins". In John's case it was all about the sponsors and his company. If you don't think he knew it was wrong, take another look at the video. Who out there with there own business wouldn't take a personal fall (though it might be embarrassing) to further there company, and in a racer's stand point, please the sponsors? He know's who pays the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 He is an interesting point, how do you compete when surrounded by cheaters. There are many things I've quit, due to cheaters. When it is corrupt from top to bottom, the toll on personal integrity is daunting. The beehive thing would be a good idea, but alas, having been pounded in Catholic schools and parents that "your both at fault no matter who started it" did take it's toll. No busting on Catholics, just needed that for frame of reference. OK?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONZTER Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 There are cheaters and there are losers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Yes, just takes so long for it to catch up, sometimes a lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy85 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Is a sacrifice pop fly 'cheating'? Is the rest of the team beside Lance Armstrong 'cheating'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woldson Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Trust me, a good man will even have a hard time, "taking one for the team". Personal integrity is a good guild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Is a sacrifice pop fly 'cheating'? C'mon! There is no batter in baseball that intends to hit a pop fly or fly out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy85 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 C'mon! There is no batter in baseball that intends to hit a pop fly or fly out. cough ... Sarcasm ... cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 As you can see, I take my baseball seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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