1 tuff z Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 got my new lca's from TTT [techno toy tuning] last week and was able to use my friends lift this morning to get them installed. pretty straightforward install. after i received the lca's i gave gabe a call to ask about the washers. they designed the lca's to have a slightly wider span than the strut they mount to so there is space to allow adjustability [if your car was hit or just not completely square]. we meaured diagonal or cross from the front lca mount points to the bottom of the rear struts and found that the left side was about 1/8" greater. move one washer and now equal. pretty simple and i like the ease of adjustability for both toe and camber-on car. will get the z aligned tuesday and give the new lca's a good workout next weekend at watkins glen! old suspension arizona z lca vs. techno toy tuning [ttt] lca's new ttt lca's installed [exhaust in the way as well...] yes, the old azc lcas will be for sale shortly. the plan is to have them replated and looking pretty again then available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy85 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I dont get it . I would take the old ones if I had to choose or a true a-arm w/ toe link if I were to make some. The new ones look kind of scary to me putting the tubes in bending. Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgkurz Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I dont get it . I would take the old ones if I had to choose or a true a-arm w/ toe link if I were to make some. The new ones look kind of scary to me putting the tubes in bending. Cameron I like the techno toy tuning units better. They look more robust with the gussets and larger tubes. They might be a bit heavier but I doubt the unsprung weight difference would be noticeable. I'd put them on my car in heart beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 What about the lack of triangulation? You really think that the TTT is stronger without any? How about the flat plate on the outside? Is that a particularly strong shape for suspension pieces? How many other suspension arms can you name that are made with a flat plate where the arm connects to the suspension? I'm not a fan of the new TTT arms, and I'm not a fan of the AZC arms especially after seeing viperredls1z's failure some time back, and then hearing that he welded it back up and it failed in another spot. I wish these fabricators would look at the discussions that we've had here and make something similar to what we've come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srgunz Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 That AZC control arm looks scary for the street much less a track car with sticky tires. Even though you cannot go just by looks. I like the rod ends used on the TTT arms better than the ACZ rod ends too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letitsnow Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 What about the lack of triangulation? You really think that the TTT is stronger without any? How about the flat plate on the outside? Is that a particularly strong shape for suspension pieces? How many other suspension arms can you name that are made with a flat plate where the arm connects to the suspension? I'm not a fan of the new TTT arms, and I'm not a fan of the AZC arms especially after seeing viperredls1z's failure some time back, and then hearing that he welded it back up and it failed in another spot. I wish these fabricators would look at the discussions that we've had here and make something similar to what we've come up with. My thoughts exactly, if I had to choose between the two I'd probably pick the AZC arms. The construction of the ttt arms looks a bit better, but the design scares me. No triangulation and a piece of flat plate in bending. If I was building something, it'd be similar to the AZC arms but made with larger OD tubing(~.083 wall 1.25" 4130, minimum) and maybe some gusseting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 The S30 arms I made a while ago were similar to the AZC ones except they were double gusseted at the top, looking at pic #2 first post. Other than that the AZC ones look OK to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project Z Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Please give us your feedback after you test them out, Gabe makes good parts and I'm hoping these would perform well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 The S30 arms I made a while ago were similar to the AZC ones except they were double gusseted at the top, looking at pic #2 first post. Other than that the AZC ones look OK to me. Most of the pics are gone, but you can see the AZC thread here: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=123263 It might be true that most people don't push their stuff as hard as Dave Kipperman does. He's got 10" slicks front and 13" slicks rear and an LS2 with 400+ hp, but he did break the arm fix it, and then break it in another spot, and I wasn't impressed with the threaded ends used (turned down nuts instead of a proper threaded end). My threaded ends get plug welded through the tube, that apparently was also not done on the AZC arms, presumably because the turned down nuts are too short to allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Oh lord I'm not advocating the use of a item that has been found inadequate, merely commenting on the general design and particularly the triangulation of the AZC ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24OZ Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Sorry for resurecting a 3month old post but I've been doing research on the AZC A arms and it looks as if the design has now changed and they are made out of billet aluminium and are no longer tubular. Here's a link: http://www.arizonazcar.com/lowarms.html This new design probably addresses the issues spoken about above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 This new design probably addresses the issues spoken about above. Do some more searching and you'll find my comments on the new design. Needless to say, I think the old part was much better than the new one. Nobody pays for my opinions though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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