jacob80 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Hey guys, Well I am in the process of planning my 400hp HY35 build and know I'm going to need an aftermarket camshaft. Now, I have done zero research as to what lift/overlap/etc etc I need for a 400hp L28ET, but I did stumble across the MSA camshafts on their site. We did order a camshaft for our L24, which ended up being a schneider. My question for you guys is, do you guys have any experience with these cams? Who makes these cams? I have an 82 motor, so I would be ordering one accordingly. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtsnlvrs Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I would recomend that you contact Isky cams...and provide a Japanese cam for the core...the current Scneider cams might as well be made of pot metal FWIW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I've got one in my car, haven't had any problems except my factory ECU cuts the fuel right when things get interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTHALOSISM Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I Agree with the ISKY and Datsunlvr know his stuff!!! Hows good o'l tornado country there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob80 Posted February 20, 2010 Author Share Posted February 20, 2010 So as a core, do they regrind your cam and send it back to you? Or keep your cam and grind a new one? What is iskys prices for a cam for your core? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustnut Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Have you looked into http://www.deltacam.com/ ? I have used them for my lifters, and had good luck. There regrinds are pretty cheep, and from what I have read on HBZ, they know there stuff. I plan to use them for a regrind myself, hopefully before much longer. Like everyone else, I recomend a Datsun/Nissan core, I have a Schnider and after about six months (following propper break in, propper springs, lash pads) I am loosing a lobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeZ Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 MSA sells Schneider cams. I have the 260F grind and with less than 20K miles the lobes have deep grooves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmanco Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 I too have the stage II Schneider from MSA running with a T3/T4OE and like the power curve. I delayed the cam 4 degrees and that smoothed the torque curve out and it pulls strong to 7k rpm. I had used Delta Cams for a NA regrind before, but their turbo regrind was even milder than the stage II Schneider so I passed on it. One nice thing about the Schneider is that the lift is mild (.460" IIRC) so you can run with the stock springs. This summer I will probably switch to the Isky regrind as I'd like something more aggressive but still streetable and from the comments here it appears the Isky is just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozconnection Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Oh crap, I've bought a stage two turbo grind from MSA. Sell it ? Buyers anyone? (Or as it now seems, throw it away and don't waste my time with it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddle Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Oh crap, I've bought a stage two turbo grind from MSA. Sell it ? Buyers anyone? (Or as it now seems, throw it away and don't waste my time with it!) Throw it my way then,.. got to be better than my N/A 'A' cam Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozconnection Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Throw it my way then,.. got to be better than my N/A 'A' cam Nigel Maybe better spec'ed but not in terms of longevity Nigel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Maybe better spec'ed but not in terms of longevity Nigel! If you've already got the thing and it's still new, you might want to send it out for nitriding - I don't think its that expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmanco Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Can anyone post the Isky turbo cam specs? Scan of the cam card would be great! So far all I can find is that it's .490" lift and 114 degrees lobe separation. I'd be curious to know the durations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeZ Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Throw it my way then,.. got to be better than my N/A 'A' cam Nigel This will sound a little weird, but the old Schneider cam (260F grind) is a N/A cam. It was installed in my old Turbo Tom built motor (1995) by a local mechanic who I will never use again, but when old_slow_car installed megasquirt, holset hy35, etc, the darn motor made 416 rwhp with a flat power curve to 6500 rpm. Even before we pulled the motor, it was still making 350 rwhp WITH THE WORN OUT CAM. So maybe TimZ is correct to have a Schneider nitrided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob80 Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 This will sound a little weird, but the old Schneider cam (260F grind) is a N/A cam. It was installed in my old Turbo Tom built motor (1995) by a local mechanic who I will never use again, but when old_slow_car installed megasquirt, holset hy35, etc, the darn motor made 416 rwhp with a flat power curve to 6500 rpm. Even before we pulled the motor, it was still making 350 rwhp WITH THE WORN OUT CAM. So maybe TimZ is correct to have a Schneider nitrided. Hey, your motor is what I am modeling mine after! I'm looming for a cam that will give me a 400hp+ number. What is your setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozconnection Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 If you've already got the thing and it's still new, you might want to send it out for nitriding - I don't think its that expensive. Thanks for the advice. I bought the cam to use but I haven't built the engine yet so nitriding is a very good suggestion at this point. I'll look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S130Z Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Isky Turbo Cam Card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmanco Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Thanks for the cam card S130Z! Interesting that the LSA is 112, not 114. I'm guessing that results in better high rpm breathing (power) with the trade off of less low rpm torque? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) That is only ONE 'turbo' Isky grind. It is not the 'only' one. You need to call, talk to Ron, tell him what you want, and you will get a cam ground to YOUR specifications and intended usage. I suggested long ago that JeffP call and talk to Ron, and NOT tell Ron what he thought about overlap, duration, lift, etc....but to just tell him what he wanted performance-wise, and see what Ron came up with. Jeff was a bit upset when Ron mentioned given his specs on the engine that he 'was down a bit on power' (which was around 500 crankshaft HP at the time...) Jeff P thought that a bit arrogant. Until he ran it on the dyno and made 650+RWHP with the same components, save the cam change... What one person gets from Isky will not necessarily be what someone else gets. For the same price as the others, you can get a specifically engineered camshaft solution for YOUR particular application with a specific lift, duration, split duration, and lobe center. To me it's a no-brainer... Edited June 9, 2010 by Tony D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S130Z Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Talking to Ron is by far the best thing to do. I told him what I was looking for, and it turned out the one they have a master for just so happened to be good enough for me. But I will deffinately post befor and after dyno results of just the cam change. I just got the cam in today, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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