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Any cam with any amount of lift/duration greater than a stock cam should utilize stiffer springs than stock! This is not to say you can just pick any old stiff spring and use it. The springs should be “matched” to the cam. The cam manufactures recommend a specific spring for a reason. It matches that cam and its intended usage and RPM range. Follow those recommendations. In short, if you get the cam, get the matching springs. Also, if you are using the stock EFI, do yourself a HUGE favor! Do NOT install any cam other than a stock cam with the stock EFI! You will make more power and have better drivability with the stock cam when using the stock 280 EFI! Now if you plan to use Mega squirt, or some other after market EFI and you want more upper end power, then by all means, more cam, but don’t do it with the stock EFI. You will end up with less power (at best equal peak power), and have flat spots and hesitations all over the RPM range at different loads that you can NOT tune out or around. Also, the stock EFI intake manifold is not a great serious performance intake. It works great with the stock cam for mild applications, but if a more radical power-band is wanted, some form of alternate intake manifold should be on your list. The stock intake runners are only 53% the size of the intake valve itself in square area! Almost HALF! Good luck, Paul

Good point. Discussion inevitably turns to...

"... Muhahahahaaa… Look Ron.. Another Victim!!!... " Ron Tyler and myself have been auto crossing with this group linked below since the late ‘80’s based in Eugene. Other HybridZ members that race there on occasion are Tube80z, Savage42, Burrl, Viperredls1, My father used to as well before he built the Big Block Mopar Z. There is also another group in Medford, they race at the Jackson County sports park pictured below/ It is go kart track. Like a 3/4-7/8 scale road course! WOOHOO!!! Ice breaker is the first event of the season, held in Eugene, March 2nd this year. Usually a pretty big turnout, always a good time. Just so happens that there is at least one, if not a few local Z car auto crossers that live in the Bend Redmond area campaigning pretty radical Z cars. Morgan and his son take their auto crossing pretty seriously. http://www.eescc.org/ The EESCC 2008 Schedule.. http://www.eescc.org/EESCC2008Schedule.cfm Here is the Jackson County sports park .. YEE HAAAA

That ENTIRE car is impressive, including the exhaust manifold...

Just as Mario and Sidwell suggested. The firewall VIN is stamped into the firewall so that will be THE vehicle VIN. I don’t have one handy, but it he beginning of the Black Dragon (formerly Victoria British) catalog is break down of VIN numbers and the years of production for those VIN numbers. The dash and door tag can easily be replaced. Also a few things on the Dash (if the dash and instruments are original), can distinguish the exact 280 model. ’75 280Z had and Amp gauge, in 76 it is Volt gauge with charge light. In 77 the font style of the instruments changed from the older 240/260/early-280 font to a more modern thinner font. Then in ’78, the Speedo also had KPH in blue font, in side of the MPH. Firewall VIN stamp, above the brake booster on the firewall. ’75-’76 Door striker ’77-’78 Door striker ’75-’76 deep spare tire well and full size spare tire ’77-’78 false rear floor with shallow spare tire well/space saver tire ’75-’76 speedo, (note font style) ’77 speedo (Note font style) ’78 speedo (Note font style) ’75 AMP gauge (Note font style) ’77-’78 volt gauge (Note font style)

One of my favs..

What sort of “top speed” are you looking for? Making a trip to Bonneville of is the street car?

There is a 50/50 chance your P-90A has the hydraulic cam. Some P-90A heads still had mechanical lifters. Click ME to see a P-90A with mechanical cam Good luck, Paul

In post#42, there was mention of the difference in how the crank pins come out in a non twist forging in its 180 degree state vs a dedicated single plane crank. At some point between that post and this page was more discussion about that and if memory serves…. Ah heck, I don’t recall the specifics, I just recall we had discussed it a little bit.

Don’t feel bad and don’t get discouraged. Honest mistake, no biggee. Keep looking. Something is bound to turn up eventually.

Along these lines, years ago, I had thought about what it would take to get a twisted forged SBC crank, though before it was twisted, and then just machine the crank pins. … *** edit *** Ah ha… Found it. Back in Post #42 of this thread, was mention of the twisted vs non twisted forgings.. http://forums.hybridz.org/showpost.php?p=772054&postcount=42

So close , yet so far… Thanks for keeping your eye’s peeled for SBC single plane cranks, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that is not a single plane crank. It is a dual plane. Look closely at the crank throws, there is one every 90 degrees, instead of 180 degrees. Typical inexpensive forged cranks are forged in a single plane, then while still glowing hot, are twisted to form the dual plane. To forge a dual plane crank in the dual plane, require a more complex forge, hence the added cost, but that non twist forging is supposed to be superior in strength to its twisted brethren.

Nissan GT-R at 3800-3900# lbs! For any sports car, regardless, 3800 lbs is fat. On paper the Nissan GT-R’s performance and capabilities look stellar, the car is a very complex computerized machine. Its looks? Well that’s in the eye of the beholder. For some reason it is the 3800+ lb weight that keeps stabbing the back of my brain. My full size Luxo-barge, Infiniti Q-45, with half tank gas, no driver, weighed 3800 lbs! Anytime a “sports car” weighs the same as a flag ship luxury car, regardless of how sensuous it looks on the show room floor, it's a... Hmmm… so take a 90-96 Q-45, (can be had for under $5000 in excellent condition), rebuild the engine to withstand 20-25 lbs of turbo boost… Utilize the latest track proven Z-32 suspension components and mods... you with me?... (Q ship and Z-32 share front and rear suspension design), now around the track, the Nissan GT-R driver is feeling a little uncomfortable as he can’t seem to shake Grand-dad, maybe just a little, but Grand-dad is still in his mirror, (Grand-Dad is a term of endearment we have for the Q-ship due to its “boring”, “no-one-looks at it” sex appeal, not even the police give it a second a look.)

Mtcookson, How feasible do you think it would be to leave the intake manifold base on the VG30E and fab a new, short, upper plenum to accept the M-90? It should be much lower overall than the one pictured here, possibly only a couple inches taller than an N/A plenum overall maybe? Or build a water to air intercooler into that new upper manifold, would be little a taller, yet allow for more boost? What are your thoughts, any other ideas?

The “pressure” results from the centripetal force which is the result of the bearing clearances only allowing “so” much oil to escape, vs how much oil is being fed to the bearings from the pump AND from being flung away from the crank centerline out to the rod journals due to CENTRIFUGAL force! Centripetal is the inward force that resists the centrifugal OUTWARD force, Centripetal could also be the measurement of whatever is holding back the mass from the centrifugal force, i.e. pressure. Just as you described with the Moon, the Earths gravity is the centripetal force in that scenario holding the Moon in orbit, while the speed of the Moons orbit along with its mass is resisting the centripetal force, (dat dar be da centrifugal force), trying to fling the moon away from the Earth, in a straight line, yet the earths gravity isn’t allowing that. Same as in the oil galleys of the crankshaft. At that, this is car guy stuff, not quantum physics. We are all accurately understanding what is taking place on the same level, regardless of the exact terminology. Grumpys post stands and will remain. Feel free to take this up with your professor/s.

You sir should to go down to the quickie mart and buy a lottery ticket… How are you determining these to be LSD? If those are indeed truly LSD, then they were installed by someone else, and also being as the aftermarket supports LSD for the R-180, and the Suby also came with an LSD R-160, and the R-160, R-180 and R200 will fit, we have no idea what diff is in the car until we can see it for ourselves.

Oh my… 8 years… A huge thank you to SuperDan for THE worlds premier extreme performance Z car site.. We wont get into how much of that 8 years we actually spent in front of the screen pounding the keyboard…

Yeup! That about sums it up.. ... Thanks Jon.

Thanks for the Link Brad-man As Ron stated, the specs for the OE 240 and 280 cams are the same.NO OE cams that came to the states in a Z car had .433" “valve” lift. .390" and .413" are the common “valve” lifts for the OE L-6 camshafts. (don’t forget to subtract valve lash in your calculations when measuring the nose vs. base circle "before" you multiply the rocker ratio). If your measuring and calculating technique is accurate, then that is an after-market cam. At that, .433" doesn't make sense for an after-market cam, i.e. why would an cam grinder bother with mere .433" lift? In '77 the cam oiling for the L-6 switched over to internal. internal and external cam oiling is interchangeable. Just swap the cam towers. Internally oiled cam with internally oiled cam towers and vice versa. Do NOT mix cam towers from different heads, nor mix cam towers from their relative positions on the head. Stamp them 1-5, (or whatever system works for you), front to back and install them in the same order.

DD is a ’93 Z-32 Plan “B” is my ’90 Chev full size half ton 2wd, extra cab long bed, (farm truck)

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Six Shooter hit some very goods point in his last post regarding the Torque vs HP and how it comes to be, so a lot of what I'm saying here is just restating what he said. When comparing a similar HP bike engine to a car engine, yes the bike engine will be working harder in that car vs how hard it worked in the bike, (10 second bike vs a 15 second car with similar HP, so be sure the engines cooling system and lubrication system, is up to the task of working just as hard, for longer stints...). The bike engine when used in car would be lugging around a lot more weight now, but the cars performance shouldn’t suffer if the cars engine that the bike engine replaces produces similar HP and both are optimally geared, (keys words, optimally geared). Deeper over all gearing will be used with a bike engine to take advantage of the bikes RPM and deliver similar torque at the wheels, (the cars acceleration). Point being that comparing the HP and torque figures of high revving bike engine vs low revving car engine are relative, not as offset as the numbers themselves make it appear. For example, if the bike engine produces 200 HP @ 12,000 RPM and 100 ft lbs of torque @ 6000 RPM, it is the 200 HP you’ll be making use of, the gearing in the transmission/rear-end will take care of “torque at the wheels”. A transmission is merely a Torque multiplier/RPM divider, as well as the diff. Lets use an arbitrary L-6 for example, that produces 200 HP @ 6000 RPM and 200 ft lbs @ 3000 RPM compared to an arbitrary 200 HP @ 12,000 RPM, and 100 ft/lbs @ 6000 RPM bike engine. (these are general figures for the purpose of showing the relationship in how they accelerate an equivalent weight car and in are in no way ideal or what you will find in the real world, but the point still stands. There may be other forces at work such as drive train losses etc that will affect each a little differently, but those are beyond the scope of the point being made here.). If both of these engines were in identical cars and those cars weighed identical, they would post similar ¼ mile ET and MPH, i.e. accelerate similarly from a dead stop, even though the bike engine is down on torque, it is making up for the lack of torque with RPM. Lets break it down a little more. Both cars using identical 4 speeds transmissions, but the bike engine car is using a diff ratio of 7.08, the L-6 powered car is using diff ratio of 3.54, (half the ratio of the diff in the bike powered car). The Bike engine produces half the torque of the L-6, but spins twice as fast, so its diff ratio is twice as deep. (Keep I mind, this scenario is general just to set the idea and concept that a bikes lack of torque does not equate to lack of available acceleration when the gearing is optimized to take advantage of the bikes higher revving). In this scenario, both cars are shifting at the same vehicle speed, the tires are seeing the same torque at the ground as well as the same HP, (just as Six-Shooter eluded to, the tires are spinning at the same rate, yet the deeper diff ratio of the bike powered Z is effectively doubling the torque that passes through it to the tires vs the L-6 diff, i.e. torque multiplication through gearing. That is why 1st gear in our cars feels so darn quick when accelerating vs 4th gear. Torque multiplication). In summation, generally speaking, the relationship between HP and Torque is important and is not to be discounted, though keep in mind the ft/lbs maybe less peak, the RPMs are grater, thereby compensating/making up for that lack of ft/lbs. Just because a bike engine produces similar HP to a car engine, yet only half as much Torque, that does not mean when installed in a car that it wont pull/accelerate just as hard. The Bike engine revs more, so the gearing will be deeper, therefore delivering similar Torque to the wheels and accelerate the car similarly.

You know better than this. Whooping up on a triple carbed Z on the road means squat diddly regarding how good an induction system is at making power. This is simple guys, either back up your claims with a time slip or dyno charts, street racing accounts are not valid PERIOD! There is an L-6 powered street car with SU’s, N/A running documented 12.8’s at the strip. There are similar and faster triple carbed L-6’s as well, N/A. Lets see some dyno sheets and ¼ mile time slips, not just … “I beat up on car once…” Don't trash this thread with useless posts!!!