Kevin Shasteen

Mike, I also take the "Oaths" of our officers and Public Officials very serious. What I dont like is the "Rock and Hardplace" that our city halls put our officers in. I am "ALWAYS" polite w/police officers because I know the job they are expected to carry out. I have driven away from many a traffic stop without being cited, simply because I took the time out of my day to "Engage" in real conversation with the officer and I have always been "Respectful" in every stop for whatever reason...as I have said earlier-their presence is comforting to me-they should get the "Bad Guys"...but not for the cause of raising revenue in an "Injurious Claim". If you can comprehend the shift in thinking that a painted line on a street is the "Accusor" you will agree that that very same painted line is a "Non-Entity"...it is a "Fiction" and cant make a claim against a Flesh and Blood Human. I agree-we have probably taken this as far as we can. FWIW: I take the law very serious-and that is why I have researched it to the point I have. I take the law as serious as you did your oath. Theory has its place for it always precludes application and the abuses of application always result in "Debate" in "Theory". Both the theory and application should always be understood and never assumed. Lets talk cars now-sorry if I ended up on the wrong side of anyone; no more speeding ticket talk from me (seriously-no more from me). This is a great site & I intend to be apart of it w/out knowingly or unknowingly ever offending anyone. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

For starters I want Jim Powers to know I have nothing against him and DONT WANT HIM TO THINK I am personally attacking him. Jim, If I have offended you then I apologize-that was not my intention. I truly enjoy these types of discussions and also truly think that it is "Wonderful" that we can agree to disagree-then walk away w/out hurt feelings. As far as advice-its not a wise thing to go off half cocked; knowing a little truth but not the whole truth will get you in trouble. I'm not an attorney so I cant legally give you advice. I can share information with you; but I cant legally give you advice. If you wish to "Know what to do" then you really need to make a personal decision and that is: "Do I Want To Understand Contracts, or Not?" If you personally want to understand Contracts-then you personally need to "Research The Issue". About your issue-the ticket for speeding; if you will go back to the "Enacting Law" that allows the officers to act; has its roots in "When someone is Harmed as a result from your "Speeding..or Racing". But you are not told that (Remember-Ignorance of the Law is no excuse). So, the act (Speeding or Racing) is your "Accusor" while the officer recogonizing your act is merely the "Third Party Informer" for the "Non-Flesh and Blood Accusor...the fiction". The problem as I have said in earlier posts-is that you may not have harmed someone this time-but what will happen the fifth time you race, or the tenth time you race...it will catch up to you (Hopefully it doesnt) but the odds are that you or that other guy will wreck and then someone else may be harmed. This is the dilemma (the perversion of the law) in that the "Possibility" exists that an accident may happen so therefore in the eyes of the "System" it did happen (even tho the accident didnt happen) we are going to write you up. Again its not about guilt; it is about Jurisdiction & being subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof because of a "Pre-existing Contract". You dont have a contract with that local municipality....you have a contract with your state (State Drivers License). So if you wish to learn about Contracts & Rejecting them-then you need to study up on Contracts...other wise you can get in a heap of trouble acting on a fraction of data. If you want to reject the offer (Since you asked) you can write, in red ink (slanted from upper left corner down to the lower right corner); 1) That you are returning their "Offer to Contract and that their offer to contract is hereby Rejected per Regulation Z of the Truth in Lending Act. 2) This must be done within 72 hours of the time you received this citation 3) Anytime before the 72 hours you DONT have to give a cause of why you are rejecting the offer 4) Anytime after the 72 hours-you have to give an Affidavit and show cause ***CAVIAT EMPTOR (sp?): Acting without truly understanding "Contracts" can get you in trouble*** The Judges, Officers, Code-Enforcers; they have their tactics/schemes (Threat of Force) in enducing you back into their jurisdiction. If you dont understand contracts (Both Verbal and Written) then you should not attempt to do something you dont understand in the first place. Freedom is about "Free Will". If and when an officer, regardless if it is a Marshal, Sheriff, City Police Officer...or a city Code Enforcer, it doesnt matter-they have a "Right" to contract with whom they wish. But on the other end of the spectrum; Party B also has a "Right" not to contract w/whom they dont want to contract with. This is why all constitutions; State or Federal uphold the individuals "Right to Contract". All of us on this forum day in and day out are negotiating contracts; we are all putting forth our "Free Will" opinions on what we think. If someone disagrees with us (Refuses to Contract Verbally) then they walk away...this is free will. To understand contracts-you have to understand that contracts are both written and verbal...always; if you dont wish to contract-then simply say no thank you and walk away (Providing we are Free and can still exercise our "Free Will?). Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Dont we all Jim, dont we all. I would ask you a better question; where is your "Value" for your choice of words you used when you said "Logic" -vs- "Rhetoric"?. Is the value you place on those words based in "Fact" or is it based in "Feeling"? If you "Feel" your choice of words are based on fact then I would challenge you to "Show Me" in a legal arena...where your points of issues are found....I'm guessing by your previous arguments that you wont find them...feelings, in a legal arena, are moot-and only get us in trouble. Incrimental Complacency has no place in a Nation that wishes to retain its greatness. The legislature of the State & Fed's go to great lengths to put "Definitions" not only on the words they use but on the "Limits" of their "Limited Authority". Definate lines are drawn in the sand of what they can or can not do. The bottom line is "What is the definition of a Crime" and, when should something be or not be "Licensed"? The answer lies in jurisdiction for question one and if and when something is "Ordinary -vs- "Extra-ordinary" on question two. It is [ordinary] for you and I to travel from point A to point B carrying out our mundane tasks everyday. It is "NOT" ordinary, rather it is "Extra-ordinary", for a "BUSINESS" to uproot a home, put in on the back of a truck-then haul it down the mainstreet or hwy during rush hour jeopardizing everyone around-slowing traffic causing possible harm to those around; THIS IS EXTRA ORDINARY...therefore-those who perform such Extra Ordinary tasks should be "Licensed" while those who are performing mundane "Ordinary" tasks-should not be licensed to perform those very same mundane tasks. When Ordinary tasks are "Licensed" by force-then this is pure control and revenue raising. Anyway-I tend to rant on this subject-that is why I tried to avoid it early on. I enjoyed this thread nonetheless. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Jim, Starting with #6 and working backwards #6) If you understood history and the formation as well as the demise of any "GREAT" Nation, you will find they always start out as a "Republic"....somewhere along the line their "Nation" desides to grant "Licensure"...what follows is a constant decline in "Greatness"; WHY? Because the natural order of "Licensure" is "Greed" by the very few who have been granted the "Authority" to "License". Greed is never happy with the status quo-It Always Wants More! Therefore it must TAKE MORE. If you wish to understand the "Perversion" of Natural Rights by way of the "Rule of Law" then you need to do an in depth research on the principles of Feudalism-both Voluntary and Involuntary Servitude, Lex Regis (the law of the King) -vs- Common Law (Natural Law, Jus Civile (Civil Law) and Jus Gentium (The Law Merchant). If you choose to follow up on those four aspects you will find that the Common Law (Natural Law) places "UNMOST" importance on life, liberty and property of humans as their most precious hereditaments. Whereby Lex Regis only cares about the "Written Sentance" on a "Piece of Paper" somewhere called a "Code/Rule/Regulation (Licensure). It's sole purpose is to "Weild" the authority that rests in "One Man or a few"...it is Democracy at its worse. "Democracy" is where the wolves have a discussion with the sheep on what they, the wolves, are going to have for dinner! If the wolves out number the sheep-then the wolves win; if the wolves are out numbered by the sheep-then the wolves go by the "Might Makes Right" syndrome (Your Rodney King comment would fit in here nicely: Comply or we will beat you up-for which after we beat you up we will be eating you for dinner). Jus Civile (Civil Law) secures the personal liberties of the citizens-a new slant on Natural Law. Whereby Jus Gentium is the Law of the Merchant (Contract Law-the very law our citations are written upon). There must be a contract for our servants (Public Officials) to act against us (The king). ***Research those issues & you will have a strong idea of how our Nation has been perverted**** #5) TDC, if you read my posts doesnt mean "Top Dead Center"...good one-I chuckled at that. It means "Threat-Duress-Coercion"...go read both my posts for its explanation. As far as a judge "Humoring" my position..."I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DIALOUGUE WITH A THIRD PARTY". Where there is no "Flesh and Blood" Claimant (Injurious Claim) then there is no "Accusor"; only third parties with third hand information. If there is no first hand knowledge...which comes from "Party A or Party B", and "Party B (The claimant) isnt flesh and blood to begin with...then all claims are "Heresay" and not admissable in court. In an "Injurious Claim" both the Judge, the D.A, any code enforcer....they are all third parties (definately better know your rights before taking a stand)...as its not "Vogue" to be right in America anymore. Besides, unless a contract exists with you and the other party (Party B, AKA: First Hand Knowledge)...then you are the Judge-no one else...remember its America-you are suppose to be free and be able to exercise your free will(?)! There can be no rule making in our "Right to Contract". #4) Jim, your statement in #4 is the "Perversion" of which I'm speaking....how can you have a "Free" society if everyone is "Made" to conform at gun point or from fear of getting "Beaten" up...you have just successfully answered you own question; might doesnt make right-it makes Tyranny. If you cant operate in "Free Will" then you dont have "Freedom"...it is dangerous not to speak out when "Free Will" is removed-from any Nation; not just America. #3) That cant be more true; everyone must make a decision for what they believes, as it is your perception that defines your truth....better make sure your truth doesnt get "Perverted" otherwise, we as a Nation will have Millions of individuals whose "Perception" is "perverted"; and then no one knows the difference between right and wrong. #2) Back when I rejected my ticket; I didnt know then what I know now. All I did know, at that time, is that I was not speeding when I got my ticket. The officer didnt care about my "Thoughts"...hmmm-sounds like a free society to me-NOT. When I rejected my ticket I didnt even no what I was doing; I had no clue that their offer was merely an offer to contract. I only knew I was not going to play their game...I was Mad-I wanst going to show up-I wasnt going to be their chump. I have since then been pulled over once or twice for rediculous things like a blinker not working-and what not....no warrants were announced by the "Presiding Officer", no arrests ensued from my being pulled over..and my rejecting their offer was 8 or 9 years ago. Will the results of anyone else who attempts this vary(?)-depends on the corruption of your city...some are definately worse than others. But I would ask you why are some areas worse than others? Because we have failed to say [NO] to the inappropriate behavior-and that you "Officer" are Wrong for trying to tell me that the middle line I may have crossed over has made me a criminal. I am a Human Being & I Deserve to be TREATED WITH DIGNITY"!!! #1) In the "signing" of your citation you are "Granting" the servants their authority to act against you; you have just given them Jurisdiction over you, of which they previously didnt have-unless a contract existed...still they are the third party to the contract and not the first party. If they were the "Ultamate Law" then they "The Ultimate Law would not need your permission to act against you. The speeding ticket isnt about right or wrong-its about "Taxation without Representation". It is the very key that triggered the "Boston Tea Party". The American Colonists were not upset about being subject to the Brits. In fact it is a known fact the colonists "Welcomed" the "Benefits" of the king. The welcomed those "Benefits" up to the moment the King forced "The Tea Tax" upon them-this was the equivalent to "Involuntary Servitude". If you read the "Constitution: the document that restricts the authority of Public Officials" then you would find that no laws can be passed that allow Involuntary Servitude." This is why they must have your signature-that "Involuntary Servitude", with your signature, now becomes "Voluntary Servitude"; you have just agreed to "Willingly-Knowingly-Intentionally" agree to a contract. Yes I have a DL, yes I have Insurance, yes I obey the "Rule of Law" up to the point that it tesspasses against me. As you say; If I'm guilty then I'm guilty....but then no one has defined the word "Guilty". Guilty of what? Who defines if and when your are "Guilty"? It is the Jurisdiction you are operating in and "Being Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof" that [DEFINES] the "Value" of the word "GUILTY": not the dollar amount and not the act...but Jurisdiction and Subject Matter Jurisdiction alone. Not only must there be Jurisdiction over the "Person" but also over the "Act". If you wish to know how the "Rule of Law" is a perversion of the "Natural Law" then keep you eyes on the political forum....specifically the "Dept. of Homeland Security". Once this gets passed-we are going to see tresspasses like never before....I hope I'm wrong-but I dont think I am. Anyone remember Ross Perot's statement when he was running for President. He said three times in one of his debates, "Governement isnt protecting you...ITS COMING [AFTER] YOU! These thoughts arent mine; I simply read a lot and am able to regurgitate what I have read and seen with my eyes. I agree that the police officers are in between a rock and a hard place-they want to "Protect & Serve" then they find out they are essentially "Revenue Agents" and there is a shift in their thinking...this is troublesome not only to them...but to me; where or where is that line going to be drawn? The line is drawn in the exercies of "Free Will" or the removal of "Free Will". Dialogue with the officers; ask questions-who said we cant ask questions-just always be polite. Conversation is good confrontation is bad Conversation is good confrontation is bad Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Before answering that its important that anyone who ever comes into contact with any public official/code enforcer of any kind, that for known or unknown reasons, has implied that they are going to "Cite" you for whatever; it is imperative that you dont "GET EMOTIONAL". As Mike illuded to; 1)Knowing your Natural Rights (Not Constitutional Benefits) -vs- 2) Standing up for your "Free Will" to exercise your Natural Rights -vs- 3) Knowing how to keep the Public Officials at bay.....are three horses of a different color. I agree w/Mike on the dangers of our mentality that most of our society has accepted; and that that it is okay to drive recklessly. As I said in my first post, if we dont regulate ourselves-then public opinion will demand that someone does....and unfortunately that means the Public Officials. We have a Natural Right to exercise our "Free Will", AKA: I have a right to swing my fist-but I DONT have a right to hit someones nose! My right to swing my fist ends at the beginning of someone's nose. When my right to exercise my free will interfere's with someone else's free will-then I have crossed the line. Also, keep in mind that you can not operate in the "Rule of Law" and then bounce back into "Natural Law" at will; you either are in the "Rule of Law" via contract (written or implied) or you are in "Natural Law". AND, Natural Law is brutal when you violate someone else's right to exercise their free will whereas the "Rule of Law" is much much more "Forgiving". The bottom line still falls into "Jurisdicion" and "Being Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof". The act is moot, the dollar amount is moot, the emotion involved is moot....all that matters is the "Existing Jurisdiction" and are you or are you not "Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof". THINK ABOUT IT! IF THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT AGAINST YOU-THEN WHY DO THEY NEED YOUR SIGNATURE? IF THEY DIDNT NEED YOUR AUTHORITY-THEN THEY WOULDNT NEED YOUR SIGNATURE! They MUST have your permission to act against you! In America-YOU ARE THE KING & THEY ARE THE PEASANT-THEREFORE THEY (THE PEASANT) NEEDS PERMISSION TO ACT AGAINST YOU (THE KING). It really is that simple. To answer the previous question about [TDC], TDC as said before is an abbreviation for 1) Threat 2) Duress 3) Coercion For ANY CONTRACT to be Valid, the underlying elements of a "Valid" contract are determined if both parties (no third parties)in reference to an "Injurious Claim" have 1) Willfully 2) Knowingly 3) Intentionally Entered into that contract. In an Injurious Claim-all individuals (Judges, Police Officers, Attorneys, Clerk of the Court-Anybody) is a "Third Party" that did not have "FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE" to the contract. Third Parties DO NOT REPRESENT YOU and they CAN NOT REPRESENT YOU unless you "ALLOW" them to "Represent You"; dont allow them to represent you-it is your Soverignty and Wellfare that is at stake. If one party is "Pressured" in any way (Shotgun Wedding) to enter into said contract...then said contract is null and void at its enception. What is the Overzealous Rogue Revenue Generating Militant Cop (Good Police Officers not included) doing when they exhibit bad behavior? 1) They are "Threatening" you to enter into their contract by demanding you sign the citation 2) This threatening behavior puts you under "Duress" 3) And it is the threat which puts you under duress that "Coerces" you into signing the citation/contract. Thus the "TDC" is implied that you were not exercising your "Free Will" to say "NO" to the officer's offer when you were forced to sign said citation/contract/offer. In order to use "TDC" you have to allow the officer to threaten you; this is why you first ask the officer when he presents the offer to you for signing: "What will you do if I dont sign it"? Once he threatens to arrest you-then he has just crossed the line and removed your right to exercise your free will (shotgun wedding). If the officer gets mift and says, "Oh I see-your challenging my authority" just respond that "No I am not challenging your authority, I am challengine your [application] of your authority." You gotta know your rights and you gotta know that standing up for your rights can at times be scary; usually if you are from a small town-these tactics can play out w/out repercussion; most small/small towns will be "Self Insured"...but in a larger city things can be quite different; money and the love of someone else's money can at times put us under pressure from City Hall to conform...this is where they have crossed the line. BUT, in the same breath, if you violate someone's right to free will...then you have crossed the line. When I began realizing the importance of "Jurisdiction" and being or not being "Subject to the Jurisdicton Thereof" I truly began seeing things in a whole new light. It appears everything we do is perverted into a "Jurisdiction of Commerce/Law Merchant" and thus puts us in a position of being "Regulated": Follow the Money, he who has the money may not have the right-but quite often they do have the might. Having a perception of "Freedom" -vs- "Exercising that Freedom" are two distinct issues...it is dangerous at times to exercise your free will-it means you are not a "Team Player" to those who wish to "Regulate" your "Free Will" and you must be brought into conformity. So like Mike said, dont argue rights if you dont understand them in the first place-it will only get you in hot do-do. Always keep a cool head-this is business; and business should be conducted in an orderly fashion. It is a personal decision each individual must make; dont go off half cocked w/out first knowing what you are doing & what kind've scenario you have placed yourself in. But like I said earlier, dont get me goin on speeding tickets For anyone out there wondering-I have only done this once; where I did not argue with the officer-but the next day wrote a letter to the Officer, The Clerk and The Residing Judge-and sent the citation back; In the letter I advised them I did not accept their offer & rejected their offer..(you should also right this on the Citation itself, "I reject your offer to Contract") and do so within 72 hours. I never got a phone call from the Judge, never saw any squad cars in my yard-I have been pulled over since then-and have not had any citations since; this was 8 years ago. Depending on how militant your local police dept has become-your results may vary; the bottem line still deals with Jurisdiction-and being subject to that jurisdiction thereof....and the trump card will be to what extent your police dept wants to make an example of you & how far they want to violate your liberties in making an example out of you....the war stories we've seen and heard do exist. It is always a personal choice to stand up for what is right -vs- what is wrong. I am disgusted at lies, deception and anyone who perverts what this Country was Founded on "I Hate It". Sorry admin-I didnt want this to be a speech, or political statement-It is just so hard to know that thousands are effected everyday by "City Hall" and their tesspasses against our Liberties. Thanks for the avenue to share and at times "Vent" Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

How many times have I asked you guys not to get me goin on Speeding Tickets (hot under collar) Welllll, I have been avoiding this thread up to now. Mike triggered a sore spot w/me. This "Implied" acceptance that we all have to have drivers licenses because w/out a DL the question arises, "How Would Anyone Ever Know How To Drive?" Thousands of accidents ocurr every day in our Nation; and by people who have DL's. So, if the license itself implies that "We now KNOW how to drive" then why is it that so many people, with DL's still have accidents? Hmmm? The reality of a DL is not so that "If you have a DL then you all of a sudden "magically" KNOW how to drive. The purpose of a DL is to generate revenue and to impose/regulate the benefit of Policing Authorities upon those who fall within that jurisdiction. If you merely exercise your God Given Right to Travel, which our Nation enjoyed the first Century of the History of this country, then the Rogue Militant Cops (who ruin the reputation of the few "GOOD POLICE OFFICERS") will "Forcefully" grind you into the ground; is this right(?), of course not. So, we all comply and get a DL. This subjects us to their Commercial Jurisdiction. Now, our DL is only a license to operate within the "Written Rules of Law" (Written Statutes & Codes) which should not to be confused with "The Law" (Natural Law). Your license, which only allows you to operate within the confines of the "Rule of Law" is violated when you exceed the limits of the "Rule of Law". Because we have entered that jurisdiction-and exceeded the "Limits" of the "Rule of Law", we are then subject to their reprimand, AKA: Fines/Penalties. Even tho we are in their jurisdiction-it is a perverted jurisdiction, and because we are "FREE AMERICANS" they still must obtain our "Consent" to act against us. This is why they demand our "Signature" on citations or somewhere in the punishment stage. Some jurisdictions dont even ask for your signature on citations any more-but you will be signing your signature somewhere along in the process: They must have your consent. This consent is either implied (Verbal) or it is specific (Written). Either way-if and when this contract is offered; if you dont reject it verbally or in written form-then the principles of "Latches & Keys" will bring you within their jurisdiction..sounds like an above board honorable system to me(?)...not! If you dont like what the "Rogue Revenue Raising Militant Cop" is shoving down your throat; then when they ask for you ID, Proof of Insurance & Registration-then you can simply say: "Sure officer-I'ld be glad to show you....after you show me your....(Always be polite), 1) Bonding Card & 2) Bond #. He asks, why do you need that? You reply, Because not only do you "Think" you need to ID me-But I also need to ID you! Besides; I need to know who you are for my Lawsuit...he says what lawsuit...you say the lawsuit against you & this city when you violate my liberties. Smaller towns will be "Self Insured", I had one officer actually admit this to me once. If officer admits they dont bond their officers; Then your can verbally say, "Oh good-that will make my lawsuit against you much easier". Now is a good time to remind the officer that when he does violate your liberties-that not only has he subjected his city to a lawsuit but that he, the officer, can be sued in his personal capacity (violation of rights are very serious-even tho the Rogue Militant Cops are not taught this). Dont claim "Constitutional Rights" the constitution does not grant you Rights-rather the Constitution is a list of restrictions placed on the Public Offitials if and when they come in contact with us (the inhabitants); Police Officers are Public Officials. You are born with rights-rights cant be given to you by man; man can only give you benefits of which their jurisdictions can regulate. Be forewarned: City Hall doesnt like being called on the carpet! Dont argue with a Rogue/Militant Cop w/a gun on his hip! Why should you argue with anyone who is threatening when they have a gun on their hip-their behavior is inapropriate....and on the other hand, free exercise of free will doesnt come easy. If you come across a Rogue Militant Revenue Raising Cop you have to ask a few questions (preparing your suit-forcing "One Bullet Barnie" into tipping his hand). 1) Ask the cop what will he do if you dont sign the citation....Cop Threatenting Response follows (any threat voids any contract-as a contract has to be entered into "willfully-knowingly & intentionally"). 2) Ask the cop if there is a law that mandates you sign the ticket....Cop Threateneing Response follows (possible bluff-also possibly a Rogue Militant Revenue Raising Cop about to cross the line....be aware of which personality is confronting you). 3) Ask if he has a signed written complaint against you...Cop Threatening Response follows that will probably include, No I dont but the "People of (City or State)" does 4) Then you ask, Officer, are you the "People of (City or State)"?...Cop Threatening Response follows that should include a "No" as an answer Cop Threat follows, more squad cars are called (Show of Force-implied to flex their muscles...OH KNOW I MUST REALLY BE IN TROUBLE NOW)...it is all theatrics to get your consent. If it gets too threatening...then simply Sign your name with TDC (Threat Duress Coersion) in front of and behind your name*** 3) Cop counters with Threatening Response & includes: "That isnt your name"! 4) You respond by asking the Rogue Militant Cop, "Are you an Attorney?"...Cop Threatening Resopnse that includes "No" will follow 5) Then ask the cop, "Do you have a license to practice law?"...Cop Threatening Response follows that includes a "NO" will follow 6) Then you can ask him, "If you are not an atty and dont have a license to practice law-WHERE DO YOU GET OFF MAKING LEGAL DETERMINATIONS IN LAW?" You have just called his bluff...all citations that dont include a [Real Flesh & Blood Claimant] is an "INJURIOUS CLAIM" and its purpose is raise revenue for city hall...so they can refine their revenue raising machines in order to make their revenue raising machines more efficient in stealing from you what they dont have a right to. Now after saying all that-if we "The Free Americans" dont regulate ourselves-then Government must step in to protect the welfare of the greater whole. Where oh Where do we draw the line? The line is drawn with jurisdictions; if and when you harm someone-then government has the "Authority" to hammer you with the full force of the law. But, if and when city hall (police officers, thought police, any public official-whomever) comes against you when there isnt a "Tangible-Flesh and Blood Claimant" injured party-then they must obtain your consent..either implied or written to which you must either rebuke or accept. If you dont rebuke/reject it then you have conceded. The dollar amount is moot, the written code/rule/regulation is moot. All that matters is "Jurisdiction". But hey, dont get me goin on tickets: it kind've gets me a little hot under the collar. Mad Dog-Aarrr Aaarrrr! Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Michael, The good news is that camshafts usually are not that expensive (Hydraulic Rollers excluded) so go ahead and experiment with two or three different grinds. Now, having said that, I know you asked for us to give you an "Opinion" without the usual answer. IMHO, you are setting youself up for a pitfall. If you dont have a "Clue" as to its intention then how can you even address the engine's build and what components are needed? The two go hand in hand. I am not a fan of "Cam Guessing". The duration of the cam you have asked about can be ran in any engine; but the real question should be, "How [Well/Efficient] Do I Want My Engine To Run, and at what rpm do I want that "Efficiency to surface? You cant possibly know how well (efficiently) your engine will run unless you put your "Cam Profile" in to perspective; you do this by following the chain of command; the degree of importance in which the cam and other components are chosen. This is what I'm suggesting: How can you possibly put a "Value" on your cam choice when that particular "Value" MUST be based on [ALL] perameters of the engine components; especially when you have asked us not to speak of those perameters? It is the other "Perameters" that gives you the "Value" which you are searching. Some like it hot while others like it cold; in other words some likt that 1000 rpm idle while others like a 1500 rpm idle and some like a 750 rpm idle and it is "THESE OTHER PERAMETERS" that determine your engine's characteristics. So, any opinion that doesnt take into account the "Other Perameters" of the engine; is just a guess. If your 454 will be using stock cast iron-low performance and low compression cylinder heads then your 270S will be too big; oh yes, your engine will run and it will soud "Cool", but it will be an engine that has been over built with that cam choice as low rpm airflow velocity will suffer and your power band will come on the cam way too late. Now, if your 454 used moderate intake ports for your aftermarket alluminum cylinder heads, and an alluminum intake to match the heads....then I'ld agree with the others that your cam is slightly a little too small for a "Street Performer". The problem with the term "Street Performer" is that you (the end user) has not put a "Value" or "Definition" on the term; so then, we are still basically guessing. As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of "Cam Guessing". Now, what if you built your 454 w/Large Alluminum Cylinder Heads whose intake ports are way too big and put on an alluminum intake to match; then your 270S is going to be way way way too small and performance will suffer. I'm trying to say that all things are relative; and if you dont put a "Value" on the term "Relative" then there is no baseline for which anyone can form an opinion....and the opinions offered are basicall unsubstantiated opinions....and building an engine based on "Guessing" of any kind can be expensive; but hey, it's your wallet. 1) The cam is chosen as a result of your intent; 2) Displacement will always be the true deciding variable 3) The Intent of the car and Displacement of your engine determines your Dynamic Compression; 4) The Dynamic Compression determines the range of your power band 5) Proper Matching of the other engine components & the Cam's LSA determines the Intensity of the Power Band 6) The Dynamic Compression determines the Static Compression Ratio You may not fully understand that power flo-but you cant ignore it; if you do ignore it then you are only "Guessing" at how to construct your engine. If you wish to understand Dynamic Compression Ratio-then go to Ed Staffel's book on Big Blocks. He has a Piston Map Graph for a 454 BBC on page 108 and an in depth explantion of that graph on page 112-113 entitled "Cam Selection"...you need to read it and understand it. Ed Staffel also gives excellant advice on the distinctions of Small, Moderate & Large BBC Cylinder Heads and has a handfull of cam comparisons scattered all thru the book. Sorry if this is not the answer you wanted; but I truly am not a fan of "Guessing". As a beginner to performance building; I would advise you to always take note of "Recognizeable Patters". Once you learn to recognize a patter here....it will lead you to recognizing patters elsewhere and before you realize it you "knowledge" on engines will evolve. In all engine components you can usually sub catagorize each item into three categories: 1) Small 2) Medium 3) Large These three sub-categories are only trumped by the "Displacement" of your engine; for it is the displacement that puts the "value" on what is considered small, medium or large. Once you understand that you can then address the "Value" of your cam being too small, medium or large. Remember; Opinions are like Elbows, everyone's got a couple of'em. Make an educated decision, not a "Guess" based on "Feeling". Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Cant go wrong on a car w/a good body...for only $400 bucks. Good luck; and let the games begin. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

I'ld caution you about your car you are about to buy. If the car is not in that great of shape-just be sure you dont pay too much for it. Z's, especially Z's that have been abused by previous owners (abuse = driving the car hard & never repairing anything if/when it needs it) tend to be real "Night-mares". When I was looking for the Z I currently have (funny enough-I went from Tx to Georgia to buy mine) I discovered that there were a lot of Clunkers...AKA: Z's with one leg in the salvage yard -vs- a good amount of Z's in fair condition and then there were very few that were in excellant condition. The surprising part is that the costs between the three classes were not that much: unless the "Perfect Car" truly was in pristine condition..then the price was way out there. The point I'm trying to make is that the "Excellant Condition" category wasnt that expensive. The Fair to Good Condition were priced "VERY REASONABLY". I'm attempting to make the point that if you plan on keeping this car-then in the long run it may actually be cheaper to save your Mad-Money for a few months....even three months; $1500 will get you a Decent Z that needs only cosmetics w/a good drivetrain. This means you could drive it while you save your money for the other stuff. Better yet, three months of saving @ $500 a month = $1500 could find you a Z whose body & interior are excellant yet the engine is shot. That would be the perfect scenario for you-since you'ld be putting in a V8 anyway. You really can find these cars in the $600 to $1500 range; you just have to have the money when the add is first posted-as they go fast. I'm just trying to caution you in not buying a "Bottomless-Pit (money pit) when a few months worth of saving can really get you that much better of a car....body wise, that is. I've been there-dont that w/previous cars; thinking that I can repair the body here-and-there, and in no time at all (Hah-that's a laugh) the car will be as good as new. Body problems and wiring problems are real nightmares & their costs (regardless if it is only time) increases monitarily at astronaumical rates. Find a car with a good body (faded paint is ok) but with a decent interior & where 80-90% of the wiring is functional-but maybe a shot engine/tranny-then go buy the car & have fun. A little patience can go a long way. I looked for a year before I found my car-from the original owner and they had all, I mean ALL the receipts....and I only paid $2200...not too bad IMHO. Just my .02 worth. Kevin (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Akex, As Mike said, you need to get an Ohm-meter and also a circuit tester (ice pick w/a small bulb in it that lights up when current is detected). When you buy an Ohm-Meter, make sure it comes w/a detailed instruction booklet; this way you dont have to be an expert when operating an Ohm-meter; just follow the instructions to a tee. Make sure you buy a decent one (somewhere around the $35-$45 range). As far as jumpstarting w/jumper cables; three issues-1) Smaller cars w/smaller engines dont always have an alternator w/an amp discharge high enough to jump off another car when its battery is dead 2) Jumper Cables w/too small of wire gauge will not allow enough amp's to pass through them to jump off another dead battery 3) If your Battery is truly dead, then-DEAD is DEAD and cant be charged regardless of how long the other car is hooked up to yours. So, How do you know if its your battery or something else? A circuit tester will detect if your battery has any juice in it at all while an Olm-Meter in the Volt mode will indicate how many volts your battery is putting out. Also, follow the instructions in your Ohm-meters booklet & it will tell you how to test the battery, battery cables, coil, Ignition Module, Starter, Alternator, Inline fuses.....basically anything that has voltage coursing thru its veins: and the second thing on each item whose voltage has been checked would be its resistance....simply follow the instructions in your Ohm-Meter's booklet. Dont panic, buy an Ohm-Meter, Circuit Tester and a Factory Service Manual which will give the EXPLICIT power flow chart which gives a specific order in which items should be checked; the factory manual also gives you instruction on what voltage & resistance each item should be flowing thru it. It really isnt that hard; just take your time, take your time, take your time, take your time! Dont let anyone rush you-and if/when someone comes around to talk to you while you are testing; just put down your tools-talk to them until they walk away, then resume your testing. Dont try to test & cary on a conversation-too distracting. If/when you get stumped-ask any question here & someone will give you the answer. You car is not hopeless-simply sleeping: its time for you to go wake it up! With a little patience & diagnostic trial and error-you can fix the problem & save yourself the money you will have spent by taking it to the shop. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Ahhhh, a family that drags together stays together There's no better kill than the smack you put on your older brother....be sure to rub it in: you know, keep that "Sibling Rivalry" thing goin. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

I would have to say "Salute" to the grumpsters recommendations. The only other thing I could add as far as book recommendations are concerned would be these two: 1) "High Performance Camshafts" Vol.11 from the 'Best of Hot Rod' series. Published by CarTech w/Copywrite Date of 2000. 2) "How to Build Max Performance Chevy Rat Motors" by Ed Staffel. Published by CarTech w/Copywrite Date of 1996 I like the first book because it literally walks you thru the past up to the current data on camshafts. I like the second book not because it is about big blocks but because on Page#112 it gives info on how Dynamic Compression Ratios effect your choice of pump/race fuels requirments and has an accompanying graph of the Piston Location on page#108. The location of the piston is imperative as this location, when the Intake Valve Closes, determines the Dynamic Compression Ratio. Something I would also add; what I found confusing when I first began attempting to understand engines was no matter what people told me it always seemed to come down to "Me having to [TRUST] someone else's advice". This is not bad, providing that someone is someone you could trust. What I discovered is basically the powerflo of building an engine that Grumpy outlined: 1) Choose the Intent of the Car and stick to it 2) Pick a Displacement 3) Intent of Car determines needed power band rpm 4) #3 will determine what cam profile is needed 5) #4 will determine all other needed engine components What I found in most articles and books (which I didnt like), was that an "Implication" existed, in that it was normal for one to build an engine and then "HOPE" that your build was a good one. In other words, build the engine-Then [guess] at what camshaft you would need on the advice of someone you never met (camshaft tech lines). In reality; as grumpy said, your cam is the brain by which all else is determined....relative to the displacement of the engine....relative to the intent of the car. The missing link to my quagmirical dilemma was the Dynamic Compression Ratio. I'm not referring to the "Pressure" as in a compression test but rather the "Volume" that exists in the cylinder above the piston after the Intake Valve Closes relative to the "Volume" above the piston once it reaches TDC. It is this Dynamic Compression Ratio that determines what Static Compression is needed to maintain the proper airflow velocity at any given rpm; and will also determine what range within the rpm's that your powerband will manifest itself. Before coming to the understanding I now have I remembered manytimes feeling like I was on the outside looking in; but I kept at it till one by one, the light bulbs began flickering on till they began staying on....but for me, I found that the Dynamic Compression Ratio correlated to the Piston Map Graphs, was the key missing ingredient that most performance articles failed to teach, research or talk about. Dont give up & stick to it; it isnt that hard once you have a basic understanding that all components of an engine are basically ratio's of somekind being factored into ratio's of other components. It is this inter-relationship of ratio's that determines a good build -vs- a bad build. Hope all that made sence. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

The question you probably dont realize your are dancing around is the distinction between "Pressure & Velocity". When modifying an engine airflow characteristics you will always concern yourself with three aspecs: 1) Temperature..(moisture content of the air) 2) Velocity.....(speed of the air) 3) Pressure.....(Density of the air) Sometimes in order to understand the intracacies of the engine it is helpful to understand the hard and fast rules. Hard and fast rules of a cylinder head's ability to flow air are: 1) Small Ports = 165-185cfm 2) Medium Ports= 185-195cfm 3) Large Ports = 195-and above cfm *NOTE: These flow rates will apply to Small Block V8's If you are going to run on the street then small ports to medium ports will be the trick. If you are going to frequent the dragstrips often then medium to large ports are what you want. The cylinder heads ability to be "Efficient" depends on the Volumetric Efficiency of that engine: Intake Air System, Fuel Mixture System, Cylinder Head Ports and Exhaust Ports/System. (How big is your bank account basically defines your VE% expectations) If you wish to read for future understanding you should turn to David Vizards book on Modifying SBC Cylinder Heads. Turn to pages75 and read the side bar on "Power Limiting Port Area"....read it till you understand it; you may have to read it a dozen times till it finally clicks. Also turn to page78 and read its sidebar on Flow and Peak Power. In both of these you will be using formulas w/constants. In the page78 sidebar the constant for the displacement is confusing. What he didnt tell the reader which must be "figured out" is that the baseline constant is [350]. Any displacment smaller is divided by the 350 figure while any displacement larger will have the 350 divided into the larger number. Such as your 383 you would do the following, like so: 383 / 350 = 1.09 Read both those sidebars add grumpy's formula for cfm and Lingenfelters suggestion on the E/I% Index, which simply states your exhaust ports should flow 75% of your Intake port numbers for a competitive engine. If you are worried about over building your engine for the street then you really need to understand the math process on Dynamic Compression Ratio's-see Ed Staffel's book I mentioned earlier as it deals with the pump gas, race gas/Dynamic Compression Issue relative to Static Compression Ratio's. I really feel it is the bridge that brings everything together. Gooood Luck/and have fun. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

The driveshaft could also be imbalanced. Before pulling the trans to check the flywheel; try pulling the driveshaft and clocking it 180 degrees. AND, before putting the driveshaft back on-make sure it has new U-Joints. If this doesnt help then your problem most likely lies in the flywheel balance relative to your engine. Another possibility is the flywheel and the driveshaft are just enough imbalanced to cause an excessive imbalance when coupled together. I dont know enough about the Inline 6/and Turbo's; but usually the flywheels for standards only have the bolt holes for the clutches on one side (dont they?). Would it also matter if you grabbed the flywheel from a turbo 6 to also grab the harmonic balancer from that same engine? I dont know if the turbo 6'ers are or are not balanced in the same manner as the n/a 6'ers. Just my thoughts: more questions than answers. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

I agree with you Scott so dont apologize about ranting. We need to discuss this matter & all theory, feelings are important. As far as the "Royals" are concerned, their commoners are just as miffed with their "Royals" as we are with our "Royals (Beaurocratic Feds) as we are. Just like they dont get to see or hear our grievences over here we dont get to see or hear their grievences (media doesnt account for it publically). One's perception is their reality; so keep the reality superfilous and all is well. The dogs keep barking-but the band plays on while no one notices. It is catching up with them as our blindness is catching up with us. Has anyone else besides me ever noticed that major wars only seem to take place in countries that dont currently have a "European Central Bank"? It appears that "Democracy" seems to go to war where ever a "European Central Bank" isnt. Democracy isnt what this country was founded on; it was a "REPUBLIC". Who are we to "Bully" someone else. Then when "our Gov't" decides to go to war-we send our innocent armed forces over there so they can be subjected to chemical warfare; only to return home and die...the whole time our V.A.'s reject treatment to a reaction that "alledgedly didnt occur" even tho Veterans are dieing all around us. Then and only then-after the Govt is sued by someone-are the V.A.'s actually authorized to begin treating our Veterans...this is assinine and very offensive to me. I also agree the Middle Easterners blew It. They had the chance for their country to be the most prosperous in the world and they blew it. I feel anytime anyone (regardless of Nationality) causes "FREE WILL" to be removed from the life of any individual, then they that have caused "That Loss of Free Will" have crossed the line. What I dont like about this whole thing (911 and the War on Terror) is that, .., (and I commented about this early on, when the 911 event took place, and a thread was created on this cite).., and that is that our Gov't seems to think the only way they can "Protect" us is for us to "GIVE UP" some of our liberties. This is hogwash. They have already pretty much taken away just about any and all of our liberties prior to the 911 event-they couldnt or didnt protect us then...now they want us (at least they have implied) that we take some National ID card and give up more of our Libeties; all in the name of "PEACE". If it weren't so serious it would be laughable. Their argument is: We want to "protect" you and we want you to be "safe"....notice all the key words working on our "Fears"? So, in order for you to be protected & safe-we need you to give up your liberties(?). The whole time they leave our borders wide open; This is doublethink Bulllloney. I AM NOT THE ENEMY: SO DONT TREAT ME LIKE AN ENEMY BY EXPECTING ME TO GIVE UP MY LIBERTIES. AND, Dont demonize me because I dont wish to give up my liberties; their behavior towards those they claim they wish to protect truly has become utter foolishness. Yes, now I am raving. Sorry HbybridZ admin but this gets my goat how my govt can be so lame at times; especially in the light of so many innocent victims from 911. This Homeland Security Dept lurking in the shadows has me wondering what else my govt expects me to give up: even Congress limited Bush's requests....and Bush vetoed what Congress granted in the act. Bush now tells Congress to go back & give him something even the liberal Congress doesnt wasnt willing to give him. Scary-there is definately a power play going on in our Congress between the Legislative and Executive branch for something I dont think any of us can begin to comprehend. I know that this site is about cars; anyway-got that off my chest. Admin-feel free to erase my comments if you want for I feel we have gotten off HybridZ's mission statement's beaten track, once again. I say we-yes I have a mouse in my pocket. However; this is in line with the topic-and that was "IS AMERICA REALLY THIS DUMB"? I hope not. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling/thinking this. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Also, sometimes there will either be a very small allen screw in the knob that can be removed; look at the bottom of the knob for the allen screw. If it isnt an allen screw then there will be a tension spring that is accessable from the back side of the knob. Simply find a very small & slender flat head screw driver or pick with a 90* (degree) bend in it; press the 90* bend into the back of the knob & at the same time press downward; with your other hand pull the knob towards you. If the knob is of the tension spring type-it should slide off when you do this. Dont force it; be gentle-dont want to break it while figuring it out. Hope this helped. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Collection is the key, but for an international atty, not as difficult as one of us "normal peasants" would think. When a claim is proven on an international level; that claim will be reviewed by the international banks; such as one of the central banks set up by the Rothshilds in Europe, Rockefellers in the USA, Asian banks and the Arab Banks. Some banker will pick up the judgement if it means interest bearing notes against a entity that has "Deep Pockets". You cant get much more "Deep Pockets" than the Arab oil countries. Hey, atty's and bankers, who cares-they're all sharks. The greed of the atty and banker is a pretty hard driving force, especially when they turn on each other for the all mighty buck. For a sharp international atty; it really isnt that dumb of an idea. And sometimes a judgement isnt the real driving force; sometimes merely "Exposing" the facts is also a cause for making a claim for the purpose of swaying public opinion for political reasons and more. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

My first Z was a 73 w/the dual carbs. It had no problem reaching the red on the tach; it got there rather quickly too I might add. Bad spark can be one thing or it could be a combination of problems. If your spark plugs & wires are new then you should check out your points for proper adjustments (if you're still running a points dist). Your coil could be bad; most Aisian coils rarely go bad...but it is possible/get your ohm meter out & check your coil for tolerance-whatever the repair manual says it should be is what it should be. Also check both fuel filters; dont forget you have a second fuel filter located almost directly behind the passenger rear tire back at the fuel tank. I would say since it doesnt backfire that it isnt a spark problem and that it would be fuel related; but sinc you did say your spark is weak-then it could be a combination. Sounds like you have enough fuel and spark for your engine to run & run appropriately as a daily driver; but, you are not getting enough fuel & spark to "Race" your car at higher rpm's. Keep us advised-sounds like a mystery indeed. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

According to the picture (Chevy High Performance Magazine) it didnt utilize a reverse rotation water pump....the bracket was for the older generation V8's. The article claimed this bracket which allowed newer accessories took them "Vintage Air" two years of R&D; it isnt the same unit GM sells. It may be based on the same concept, but according to Vintage Air-it is their design, not GM's. I guess the only way to confirm it is to call Vintage Air and ask them for details or even have them send you information. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Has anyone seen this months advertisement from Vintage Air in the Chevy High Performance magazine? I believe it was on page 69 or 70, something like that; dont have it in front of me at this time. It was in the upper right hand corner of the right page. It is a one piece alluminum bracket that utilizes the typical bolt hols on the block and kind of wraps around the water pump (bummer if you have to replace the water pump). This one piece bracket allows the use of a serpentine belt. It also allows the accessories to be closer towards the center of the engine block (more compact)...for all of us who have clearance issues this would be nice. Just thought I'ld pass the word; looked nice...but of course you know that 'nice' also means "EXPENSIVE". Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Are you referring to the 280Z fuel injector relay (three, maybe four relays I believe) housing; which is located on the passenger apron (inner fender well)? If this is the cover to which you refer, that cover is made up of two maybe three pieces (I dont remember exactly) but the relays are held in place by Phillips Head Screws. The mounting bracket to which the relay housing is connected are actually spot welded to the apron. If this is not the relay housing you were inquiring about, then give us more info; Car, Year, Make, Model, ect, ect. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)

Dont 'EVEN' get me going on Politics and the harlots that run them; or else I will probably offend everyone on this board. Suffice it to say...I too feel your pain. Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner)