stony Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 is it my computer? i coulda swore we had a rb dedicated section.... not enough traffic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Stony, we are consolidating a few forums. This will a) make the search more powerful, because there are less forums to guess which an item might be in. make it easier to moderate. c) hopefully turn away some of the riff-raff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAD D Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean 83ZXT Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 So that means the Datsun engine forum is gone? Technically it's not a swap. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_H Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 The Datsun engine section is gone for good reason. Most of the technical discussions were just that, - technical. As such, they will fit well in some of the other catagories pertinent to the posted subject and hopefully make better forums. The interesting thing is since I penned the sticky in the RB forum, there was little if any "extraneous" posts.... Maybe they are reading the stickies... -Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 As the origional intent of this site was for people doing engine "SWAPS", that is where we are returning. For nissan L6 specific forums and sites, there are at least a half a dozen out there. zcar.com, zdriver.com to name a couple. This does not mean that people who are going "hybrid" on other parts of their cars aren't welcome. RB, GNX, L6T, etc engines will still be discussed here. This quickly became a site where the people that have done swaps commented, those with thier hands ditry, and experience in engine swaps could help each other out. It is slowly turning into a site where we get innundated with basic engine questions by people that have taken no time to check things out for themselves, and are after quick and easy answers. Think of it as a long-term test to see if this helps our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean 83ZXT Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Ahh much more clear. Thanks for your responses guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAD D Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Ah, I dont feel so bad now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Aaaww, we love you guys...don't feel left out! 8) Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 I see where you'se coming from now. I'm on board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gerryG Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 So... Now where do I go for SR20DET info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlasken Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 this sucks im my opinion. people like me, who are doing reserch for an rb swap, can easely miss information when there is hundreds of topics that doesent have anything to do with an rb swap at all. i have read all the topics in the former rb section atleast 2 times. and i have learned things i would never think of if i hadn't read about it. so, i think the interest for rb swaps these days are so big it should be a section just for rb swaps, just like before. much easier for people to read, and learn about rb swaps. but hey, thats just me, i'm just a crazy viking Sigurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dero Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 no love 4 the L series performance ey, WEAKSAUCE, peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dero Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 The Datsun engine section is gone for good reason. Most of the technical discussions were just that, - technical. -Bob "1. The purpose of this site is to discuss TECHNICAL topics that pertain to the modification of the Datsun/Nissan Z cars" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 So... Now where do I go for SR20DET info? The same place you went before... there was never a SR20DET forum. Dero, if you read the rest of Bob_H's post, you'll realize you are taking this idea out of context, and your comment on the rules is really out of context with Bob's post. (the whole thing, not just one sentance) The way I see it is that these forums should be able to moderate themselves, and they basically did for a couple years. In the first 2 years I was here, I think 1 or possibly 2 people were banned. We've become lax and let things slide now that wouldn't have been ignored a couple of years ago. The site is worse off for this. The rb info is still there. Go to the 6 cylinder swap forum and do a search with "RB" as a keyword and you've just created your own RB forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperZ Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 The Datsun engine section is gone for good reason. Most of the technical discussions were just that' date=' - technical. -Bob[/quote'] "1. The purpose of this site is to discuss TECHNICAL topics that pertain to the modification of the Datsun/Nissan Z cars" I believe what Bob meant by that was, they were technical in the sense that they pertain to any engine, not specifically the Datsun engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasz Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I just have a few comments...probably will get me banned from the way things sound. 1) We were all new to working on cars at one time or another, if a new person asks a question we should do our part to help them learn. I do agree that the person should do a search first but that does not mean that we can not point them in the right direction and remind them to search before asking. I also agree that people should pay attention and post thier questions to the proper forum and not cross post it in several of them. 2) No more Datsun L6 forum?! This sucks. I plan on keeping my Z with a Datsun L6 engine but not the original nor anything that came off an assembly line anywhere either. Thus I am doing a swap, and customizing it to boot! Just because I'm not spending over $10k on an RB or several a vew grand on a V8 does not mean that I am not creating a hybrid Z. 3) I understand having to rein in some of the "issues" or "problems" that you feel you are having but from a user's point of view I'm not sure what those are. No matter what you do you can not force someone to do a search before posting a question; all we can do is strongly suggest that they do so. If they do not they should not be banned, but rather just by human nature people will stop answering because the people with the knowledge will get tired of it (an unfortunate situation but true none the less). 4) As for the alternative sites mentioned, frankly zcar.com is for shit. Many of the poeple there are rude, condisending, and unhelpful (I am not the only person who feels this way). And zdriver.com just does not have the amount of traffic or knowledge that this site does, if you frequent it enough you will see that there may be one new post to the forum you are interested per day...if you're lucky; so that one is really not an option either. One that was not mentioned was 240z.org which is great, very helpful people and tons of information. However, they are mostly Z purists which is not a bad thing just that the members at hybridz sometimes have answers that they do not and vise versa. This is why I frequent both sites. It is very sad to see that it appears as though you are trying to turn people away from this site when we should really be encouraging them to visit us here and learn more about Z cars. Then they can in turn pass that info on to the next group of Z owners and so on. Where did each of you gain all of the knowledge you have about cars, Z's, engines, etc? Surely you were not born with it! Please be considerate of those who have the willingness and desire to learn and help them in their quest for knowledge and building thier Z the way they want it. Seeing as how my vocal and contravercial oppinion may get me banned I would like to say that I have enjoyed being a member here and hope to remain one. But if not then that's too bad that everything I said here gone unheard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I'm tempted to ban you for the assumption you'll be banned and the tone of the assumption to be honest. Since when are the moderators and admins here trigger happy on banning? I've been here since nearly the beginning, and a moderator since pretty much day 1. I can honestly remember no more than 6 bannings in this time, and I believe it is more like 4. How do we get this reputation to be trigger happy? We have never banned people for expressing their opinions in a reasonable manner, and I don't see that changing. Criticism has always been welcome here, as long as it is constructive and intelligent. Personally I learned how to work on Z's by reading, and not asking questions until I knew something about what I was talking about. I am sure many here followed the same path. I read every day on zcar.com for a couple of years. I barely posted in that time. I didn't know enough to post, in my opinion. I wish some people that have been here lately would think before they post. I don't see anyone of quality leaving this site because of this, because honestly there is no where else to go once you get past the basic mods. However, if you want to ask "how do I adjust SU carbs" for instance, there are plenty of places to go for that answer, and we don't need it here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I hope that this doesn't sound harsh, it certainly isn't mean't to: What is the problem? No one is telling the L6 guys here not to post, or taking away a place for them to post. It is merely a consolidation of forums. You still have a place, true, you are in the company of other engine marques, but why is that such a big problem? Nothing else has changed. Everyone is acting like their keyboards will no longer work if they want info on an L6 issue! Up until very recently, I had two L6 Zs (240 and ZXT) and I too posted in the L6 forum. I guess I just don't understand why this has been taken so personally....no one has stopped you from doing what you have been doing, just asked you to share your sandbox.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_H Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I just have a few comments...probably will get me banned from the way things sound. Good lord! What is going on here. Just threating to ban some people for doing stupid things gets everyone panties up in a bunch. I'll address your points one at a time. I think mostly it is a misunderstanding of what hybridz is and what the other sites have to offer. Oh my god, if I say something contrary to the "admins" I'm banned! NOT. Its not about saying things contrary to those in charge, but not searching, not thinking, not spell checking AND then posting about how everyone is a moron for telling you to search and what a bunch of meanies they are for telling you the obvious. Jeez folks. Read the sticky in the 6 cylinder swaps forum by me. Read rule #5 - Have a thick skin! "1) We were all new to working on cars at one time or another, if a new person asks a question we should do our part to help them learn....." No disagreement there. 2) No more Datsun L6 forum?! This sucks. I plan on keeping my Z with a Datsun L6 engine but not the original nor anything that came off an assembly line anywhere either. Thus I am doing a swap, and customizing it to boot! Sounds good to me. Just because I'm not spending over $10k on an RB or several a vew grand on a V8 does not mean that I am not creating a hybrid Z. And absolutely NOONE here in charge has said such or would dispute that. It is just false impression, nothing more. 3) I understand having to rein in some of the "issues" or "problems" that you feel you are having but from a user's point of view I'm not sure what those are. Read through the announcement forums about moderators admins on a short fuse for more insight. No matter what you do you can not force someone to do a search before posting a question; all we can do is strongly suggest that they do so. And that my friend is where you are incorrect. This is a private site, financed by individuals. They set the rules and guidelines for the site. No, we cannot ensure individuals search before posting, but all of us here can enforce the guideline to do a search. Does that mean people will be banned at will? No, this is not Corner-carvers.com. If people still refuse to search and just want their questions answered, then I suspect a admin will ban or limit what they can do to keep the information that does flow here great. The sad reality is when someone doesn't do a search, people do answer, and at times it is incorrect. The goal is to limit misinformation, limit redundant posts, and retain the great knowledge base beacause people don't get tired of seeing the same question over and over again. If you want proof of why a strict enforcement policy works, lurk over at corner-carvers.com for a few months,(at a min.). The info exchanged there is fantastic, and the signal to noise ratio is very favorable. You prove my point with your last statement in this part: If they do not they should not be banned, but rather just by human nature people will stop answering because the people with the knowledge will get tired of it (an unfortunate situation but true none the less). An unfortunate situation that we don't want to occur. If the info is already there, why post it again? If there is more to discuss, then a new post, or a "pull up" of the older topic can accomplish that. It only serves to dilute the site if we allow everyone to post and not search. I can only say trust me on that one. 4) As for the alternative sites mentioned, frankly zcar.com is for dodo. Many of the poeple there are rude, condisending, and unhelpful (I am not the only person who feels this way). Hmmm, I wonder why? Could it be the same questions get asked time and time again? Could it be the knowldegeable base of people left because people don't do searches and ask the same basic questions again and again? And we already mentioned the forum software. Basicly the issues that the admins and moderators have issues with here. And they won't stand for it and I am 100% behind them. And zdriver.com just does not have the amount of traffic or knowledge that this site does, if you frequent it enough you will see that there may be one new post to the forum you are interested per day...if you're lucky; so that one is really not an option either. One that was not mentioned was 240z.org which is great, very helpful people and tons of information. However, they are mostly Z purists which is not a bad thing just that the members at hybridz sometimes have answers that they do not and vise versa. This is why I frequent both sites. Exactly. All of us are aware of the lack of traffic at zdriver,(and he isn't helping himself with the colors), and the good basic info a 240z.org which is why it doesn't need to be redundant here. I fail to see why it is a good thing to keep info here that can be answered at 240z.org or zcar.com? It is in the Z communitys best interest to promote those sites and help them grow as well. I don't think there should be a end all be all site where you can get everything answered from how to make my wipers work to how to stick a v8 in your Z. The interest levels are too wide apart and eventually will conflict. It has happend many times in the past on other Z forums. It is one of the primary reasons Hybridz was created. It is very sad to see that it appears as though you are trying to turn people away from this site when we should really be encouraging them to visit us here and learn more about Z cars. Incorrect statement. They are not trying to turn anyone away. They are just trying to keep the posts limited to what hybridz is all about, swaps, hybrids and custom work on Z's. They are more than welcome and encouraged to lurk and read and learn. They are not however, encouraged to post simple questions that are better answered at 240z.org about how to fix the parking brake on their 260z. Again, it was not then, and is not now, the intent of this site. Where did each of you gain all of the knowledge you have about cars, Z's, engines, etc? Surely you were not born with it! Well actually.... No, I learned by reading, searching, lurking and sometimes asking. But mostly reading and researching. I learned all about my 3.1 conversion by lots and lots of research. It allowed me to write the Datsun Workshop pages from what I learned. I posted very, very little to either the mailing lists or forums about how to do it. I didn't have to as the information was out there for the taking. The same is still true of many topics covered here at hybridz on a daily basis. Please be considerate of those who have the willingness and desire to learn and help them in their quest for knowledge and building thier Z the way they want it. Absolutely. And they should be considerate of those who post here and lurk and search more before posting. It is a two way street. Seeing as how my vocal and contravercial oppinion may get me banned I would like to say that I have enjoyed being a member here and hope to remain one. But if not then that's too bad that everything I said here gone unheard. Nope, your here to stay. And thanks for your concerns. THis is a good discussion and thanks for bringing it up. Remember, this is not a personal attack on you, but rather an attempt to straighten out the incorrect assumptions in your post. -Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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