JMortensen Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 another 1.5" and you'll tuck the tires... this isn't a civic you know... so unless your going to be helpful like the majority of people, then go elsewhere. We have a very low tolerance for flaming people here. Both of you should stop now while you're ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus_RacerX Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I need to take a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.I.jonas Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Both of you should stop now while you're ahead. Or not too far behind anyway. Listen to the man,i have learned (well...pretty much) that there is nothing more frightening on this board than to open up your user cp only to find a PM from an admin you didnt initiate contact with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Purple240zt Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I think you will find that tucking tires will lead to major rubbing. There is not all that much room up there! Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I think you will find that tucking tires will lead to major rubbing. There is not all that much room up there! That's a good point. The fenderwell is not flat all the way across, it is an arch shape and heads down on the outside to meet up with the stock fender lip. If you have wheels that fill up the fenderwells and have them that close to being tucked, you'll probably be hitting them when the suspension compresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buZy Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 That's a good point. The fenderwell is not flat all the way across, it is an arch shape and heads down on the outside to meet up with the stock fender lip. If you have wheels that fill up the fenderwells and have them that close to being tucked, you'll probably be hitting them when the suspension compresses. So if one sections the struts, it is possible with a tire narrow enough to clear the fender lips, the tire could bottom inside the fenderwells/uinbody structure before hitting the strut bump stops??? In essence typical 1 to 1.8 inch sectioning in most cases requires fender flares to obtain some more gained travel from sectioning? I kind of thought that was a possible situation on my ride when lowering 1.25 inches. When I checked the full suspension travel there was not much room left in my opinion so I did not section. To me it seemed pointless. Not to mention having the tires kill the front fender lips at full turn/full bottoming. A common very possible curb situation of street driving. All 17X7 4.5 BS, 225/45/17, Non sectioned, coilovers, early Z, DP biscut plates, no flares. Many factors.... Forget everything I said, I am just thinking out loud, Sorry to hi-jack the thread. Back to your local broadcast station... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynanpg Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 huge wheels aren't going to be a problem, I'll just be running 16x7 16x8 sa3r's. spacers, and flares should clear the problem. but it won't be that low fellas, I just want there to be no fender gap. but minimal tuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLamberson Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I will say right now that I have not read thrue this thread, but based on the title I will through in my 2cents... Its all about finding the right parts for the right cost, and if that means used so be it ... I bought 4 lowering springs that are much stiffer then stock for 60 shipped... And I found a Z at the pnp with KYB struts. Be careful when changing suspension though... I started mine and now my Z is down for the next 4 days (things go wrong). So In about a week I will have what your title asked about... So in a nutshell, theres nothing cheaper then used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynanpg Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 Thanks for your 2 cents man, you should post some pics of your ride height when your all done, I want to see how low sits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLamberson Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 will do, hopefully I wont run into anymore problems... The PO of this car used different sized nuts then stock so everything needs rethreading, and all the nuts he used were different from left side to right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 coilovers, non-sectioned struts. not bottoming out, undersized tires at 225/50/15 on 15x7s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynanpg Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 Sick auxilary, thats pretty much the height I would want. what kind of coilovers? Mj, I'm looking foreward to it, good luck man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleaf Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Just take the springs out. Nothing ghetto about that No rubbing with stock wheels and tires.... (note, I was just pushing the car in and out of the shop like that) Is the car in the picture yours? Did you By chance happen to get it in Ferndale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Sick auxilary, thats pretty much the height I would want. what kind of coilovers? Mj, I'm looking foreward to it, good luck man! in that picture, those are stock strut housings with eibach 200lb/in springs, and ground control coilovers. suspension's been changed since that picture though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Alex is using more sidewall than you would use on a 17 in all likelihood. My experience in watching the large diameter wheel guys has been that since their sidewalls are smaller the gap between the tire and fender looks larger, and they won't be happy with the same ride height, given the smaller sidewall. Also, the car will be higher with your 17's because the diameter will be larger, so that will also prompt you to want to lower the car further on its suspension, even though the actual height of the rocker to the ground might be the same or even higher. Here is a case in point. This is a post of mine from the last "budget suspension lowering" thread from only about a week ago: When you run a larger tire it lifts the car up. The general tendency is for people not to want a big gap between the fender and the tire, so then they lower the car down FURTHER than it would be otherwise. This exacerbates the problem. Here's an example. Look at the rear control arms: Jay Hitchcocks Z with 18's See the control arm angles up from the inside to the outside? http://forums.hybridz.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3838&d=1191604376 See how much ground clearance there is between the rocker and the ground? http://svsrnd.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Jay-Hitchcock-71-V-8-Datsun&id=71_Datsun_at_shop_013 And for comparison, BRAAP's old autox car with 13" rims: Way lower than Jay's car http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/BRAAPZ/Pearl/P2Medium.jpg And yet the control arms still point down, not up: http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/BRAAPZ/Pearl/?action=view¤t=fattyLarge.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR8ED Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Yup. The larger wheels will raise the car, and depending on tire width, rubbing will become and issue. My 17's didn't rub at all on the fenders, though they did when I put 350 ft/lbs to the wheels! I had to raise/ and stiffen my suspension to keep my wheels from rubbing under hard acceleration. My car was much lower once...with the same suspension and smaller 16" wheels. BTW you can't get much lower in the front (see my sig pic) any more than that, and I'd rub my 17's under hard cornering I have less than1/4" clearance (can't get my finger between the tire and body with the wheels turned at a certain angle. Nice 15x7's with 225/50/15's and lowering springs/shocks make the car pretty low, without major handling sacrafices. Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSideways Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Ok I will search more about strut sectioning, but some of you guys are getting this all wrong. I'm asking about doing it right, safe, and relatively inexpensive. I won't cut springs, I do understand bump steer/ roll center concepts. (I don't want high spring rates, I was just stating that stiff a stiff ride is not a big deal to me) Also janaka what does tucking tires have to do with civics? People with all types of cars like the look of tucked tires, and I am no honda fan. this is a dd, that i want to be safe, and aesthetically pleasing . so unless your going to be helpful like the majority of people, then go elsewhere. Thanks I'll search more! "Right and relativley inexpensive" is your problem. Speed/looks cost $$. how fast / cool looking do you want to be. IMHO I think you should look for a set of old Suspension Techniques springs and maybe some Energy Suspension bushings. It will wear the inside of the tires unless you just drive at autocross events. That is what I did when I was in your shoes. Hint..... Pell grant. What folks are trying to tell you based on oh..... 40 years worth of screwing with these cars and their various issues is that you are wanting cake for cracker budget. Either leave it alone and save $$ until you have enough. Or get more $$. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennysgreen280zt Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Is the car in the picture yours? Did you By chance happen to get it in Ferndale? Nope, got it from my grandparents in olympia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLamberson Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Thanks for your 2 cents man, you should post some pics of your ride height when your all done, I want to see how low sits! here you go, note: I have only done the front at this point, ignore the rear hight, all on used parts, all 4 springs and struts for under 100 bucks. I am very pleased and the stance is a big upgrade IMO, also stiffer which is good. once I do the rear it will be just right, Im just to lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldazguy Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 This link has a detailed article on lowering Zs. Hope it's helpful: http://www.reactionresearch.com./faqs2.htm#lowering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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