G.I.jonas Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Why have i never seen these before??? Header design exhaust legos lol. http://www.icengineworks.com/icewmain.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxlamus© Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 this is really cool! untill I saw the price for a 6 cylinder.. $1,100!?!?! I guess its not too bad if they fabricate it up for you and ship it off! not toooo shabby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six_Shooter Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yeah I was looking at those a little while ago, and if they were half the price I'd have no problem buying them, but they are just a bit too much for me to justify buying them now, unless I start getting into header fabrication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Purple240zt Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 this is really cool! untill I saw the price for a 6 cylinder.. $1,100!?!?! I guess its not too bad if they fabricate it up for you and ship it off! not toooo shabby Wait, what? As far as I know they are for mocking manifolds if your a builder. I saw something similar at advance auto parts for cold air intakes. More cheesy, and about 100 bucks. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.I.jonas Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yeah the price hurt me too.I'm keeping them in mind though as i have plenty of plans for my new tube bender,these should work well for a lot of things tubular,not just exhaust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 "this is really cool! untill I saw the price for a 6 cylinder.. $1,100!?!?! I guess its not too bad if they fabricate it up for you and ship it off! not toooo shabby" Im not sure I read this correctly... but I don,t think they provide a welded up functioning header, from your finnished pattern ,they just provide the plastic parts that allow you to mock up a design? and YOU still need to build your own headers for that price? so for $1400 or so you get plastic sections to mock up a design then you still need to buy the steel, cut, fit and weld up a header all at further expence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxlamus© Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Oops sorry! I just mentioned if the company DID include fabrication from your mock up it would be a great price.. but the company does not provide this. I think i was wishing and talking out loud. sorry guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryb Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Nice...If you are good with a welder you could make your money back in a heart beat! Very $$nice$$! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 You can do the same using cheap electrical Smurf tubing from Home depot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryb Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 You can do the same using cheap electrical Smurf tubing from Home depot. What is Smurf tubing:?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six_Shooter Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 What is Smurf tubing:?: That's what I'm wondering. The very nice thing with the tool posted in the first post is that there are witness marks that will help with cutting each bend to be the exact right length, to make the perfectly flowing and smooth headers/exhaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80LS1T Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 You know if they took the price down to $4-500 I would probably buy it. I think I could make some money off of it building headers for guys I know. Heck I could build some headers for the V8 280ZX guys! Sweet product but way over priced! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 "You know if they took the price down to $4-500 I would probably buy it. I think I could make some money off of it building headers for guys I know. Heck I could build some headers for the V8 280ZX guys! Sweet product but way over priced" DITTO! EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS, I do enought odd engine swaps that dropping $500 on that would be fine as a tool cost, but I looked into this youll really need about $1900 in parts to build decent headers and thats MINIMUM it could easilly cost more, the parts allow you to build primairy tube lengths at about 30"-33" youll need 37"-39" primairies on many applications and that would require addition of custom kit parts PLUS I don,t see the collectors or flange plates listed , youll need several differant flange plates to make the tool cost worth it. YEAH! Im sure I could work around those problems easily,but for $1900 PLUS Id expect that to be handled in the cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 There's this thing called a "search engine" and if you put in the words "smurf tubing" and press Enter, all will be revealed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_hunt Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 There's this thing called a "search engine" and if you put in the words "smurf tubing" and press Enter, all will be revealed... :lmao: :lmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jerryb Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Smurf tube is corrugated PVC flexible tubing used to provide an easy method of upgrading structured wiring systems. The tube is run from the distribution panel to each outlet during the prewiring construction phase. Retrofit wiring can easily be pulled through the tubes without painstaking cable snaking. The most common type, Flex-Plus Blue ENT, is manufactured by Carlon, Cleveland, Ohio. Workers nicknamed it “smurf tube” because of its distinctive blue color. Looks like the same stuff that came with my baracuda pool vacuum. Its not the same as the lego stuff....not nearly as adaptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Guys lets think about this for a second. sure it SOUNDS overpriced. but there is nothing that will simplify making headers more than this would. Why? because each section is a precut size, each section lets you measure or count the number of blocks to easily figure out how much tubing you need. each second has alignment tabs, and specific angles that will ensure that if you cut the metal to that size, it will look exactly the same. FOR THE PROFESSIONAL, I think spending 2000 on a kit like this would be a worthwhile investment (2000 includes booster packs). for the average one to 5 time use for a home builder, forget it. Some people can do this by eye, but ask them how many tubes they've had to cut to get it perfect, or ask them how much material waste they have. some will lie. and some will tell you "quite a bit, and that's where my cost comes in" ALSO: how many times do you want to have to cut a new set of smurf tubing. Sure it costs only a fraction of what this does. but lets say you do A LOT of these. what sounds more cost effective? easier to work with? time saving? I think I'll go with the ice bloks if i were to do this as a profession, with TIG kit and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryb Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I dont see smurf tubing very practical. It may bend well but doesn keep its shape at all. It wants to straighten out. The beauty of the lego tubes is as Careless indicates..... Everything is measured out and easy to replicate off the car. Hey...if you do 5 custom jobs for your friends its paid for itself and then some!!!..a lot of $ome! Id like to see a smurf based rendering next to a lego rendering that is equaly as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Put some 3/32 filler wire in the smurf tubing and it keeps its shape pretty well, especially if you wave a propane torch near it. I'm not saying smurf tubing is better then the tool that's the subject of this thread, but its a cheap, effective tool for the home builder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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