Globerunner513 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Well some of you might have known about this before, but I just learned all this. http://www.theaviationzone.com/factsheets/c130_forrestal.asp Altogether, the crew successfully negotiated 29 touch-and-go landings, 21 unarrested full-stop landings, and 21 unassisted takeoffs at gross weights of 85,000 pounds up to 121,000 pounds. At 85,000 pounds, the KC-130F came to a complete stop within 267 feet, about twice the aircraft's wing span! The Navy was delighted to discover that even with a maximum payload, the plane used only 745 feet for takeoff and 460 feet for landing roll. There on the side of the fuselage, a big sign had been painted on that said, "LOOK MA, NO HOOK." Really blows my mind what some of those planes & pilots could accomplish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviathan Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I had heard about this a while ago, but it is amazing isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryb Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 What helps them stop.... Cables???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 What helps them stop.... Cables???? The weight from the pilots brass balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I've been in a C130 during combat landing scenarios and I can tell you that the things those pilots are able to make those planes do when avoiding potential anti-aircraft fire is simply amazing! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Anyone ever see the c130's they had outfitted with rockets to take off within 100yds? I believe it was during the iranian hostage situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zpizzaman20 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 The Blue Angels C-130 "Fat Albert" does it all the time with JATO bottles. Flatley later made Rear Admiral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIM73240Z Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 fat albert is amazing to see and hear. listening to an a-10 tank killer open up its cannon is more impressive. jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogriz91 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 They did the same thing with U-2s. http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff/115a/history/u2history.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 tuff z Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 i used to fly the kc130 in the usmc. obviously never landed/took off from a carrier but did some in the simulator. on a regular air strip you came in pretty slow & dirty [full flaps and gear down] and just at touchdown you'd go to full 'flat prop pitch' [feathering the props to a flat pitch creats 4 large circles on the wings], stood on the brakes hard = full abs and then increased lift on the wings by pulling back the yoke. you'd be surprised how quickly they could be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB280ZT Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I read someplace that they had to modifiy the landing system so that they could go to reverse on the outboard engines just before landing then basically drop the plane on the deck. As for take off they used the rocket assist to take off, like Fat Albert does in the Blue Angles shows. HB280ZT Retired NAVY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globerunner513 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Are you sure they used the JATO's back then? It would be awesome if they did, but I couldn't see anything extra on the plane where they normally would be located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO-Z Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Thought this might be interesting to add. This is from the Third Division off of Naples in WW2. An Army aircraft carrier! It is an LST that was converted by the army for spotter planes used for amphibious assaults. Talk about a one way trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(goldfish) Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Anyone ever see the c130's they had outfitted with rockets to take off within 100yds? I believe it was during the iranian hostage situation. it looks scary, I'm glad I wasn't on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psdenno Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I was an AF aircraft maintenance officer for a lot of years with C-130s and they can be configured to do amazing things - like drop 10,000 pound bombs out the rear hatch by parachute to clear a helicopter landing area in the jungle. I don't see any JATO on the carrier take off - they'd be visible on the sides by the paratroop doors if used. Dennis C-130 A C-130 B C-130 H A long time ago. In a place far far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katman Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 it looks scary, I'm glad I wasn't on it. That was the Credible Sport program. We were going to land in the soccer stadium across the street from where the hostages were. The crash at the end of this video was caused by a crewmember hitting the "stop" button too soon. We built two of these, the other one is still at Warner Robbins AFB museum if I'm not mistaken. Didn't quite have all the bugs ironed out before Carter went with the now infamous helicopter rescue/debacle. IBM did the computer that timed the rocket firing. I blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zpizzaman20 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I read someplace that they had to modifiy the landing system so that they could go to reverse on the outboard engines just before landing then basically drop the plane on the deck. As for take off they used the rocket assist to take off, like Fat Albert does in the Blue Angles shows. HB280ZT Retired NAVY Harry, They would override the weight on wheels switch and that will allow the props to reverse (at least in a P-3). Dave, Did you have the same override? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi303 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'm on a river valley farm about 20 minutes flying time from NZ's main air force aircrew training base, I've had C-130's scream past at a low enough height that you can look DOWN on them from the top paddocks. the manuverablity of those fat birds is pretty amazing, they'd turn the corner by the bridge where the valley pinches in and turns about 90 degress on a 45 degree bank and still keep the higher wing below the valley sides. Any SAM radar would have to be sited IN the valley itself to find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogriz91 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I'm on a river valley farm about 20 minutes flying time from NZ's main air force aircrew training base, I've had C-130's scream past at a low enough height that you can look DOWN on them from the top paddocks. the manuverablity of those fat birds is pretty amazing, they'd turn the corner by the bridge where the valley pinches in and turns about 90 degress on a 45 degree bank and still keep the higher wing below the valley sides. Any SAM radar would have to be sited IN the valley itself to find them. They do lew levels around the panhandle of FL and I once saw an awesome sight of an HC-130 refueling a pair of helos while flying down the valley just north of Durango. For the Spec Ops birds, manpads and AAA are more of a threat than tactical or strategic SAMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 My nephew is in special ops and for his latest HALO training they did a night landing and take off from carrier in a MC130W. He won't tell me many details, but he did say he saw Ensenada when he left the plan and landed just north of El Centro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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