Bart Hoedemaker Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I don't see your Americans use these engines much, mostly the Japs. But the can make reliable horsepower! And are very indestructable, and have history in auto-sport. I have used the 16 Valve non-turbo version myself, with a 5 speed manual. And it pushed the car weighing 1070 kg easily to 250 km/h, with just 200 horsepower. There are excellent mid-engines for Z's. There are 2 versions: The 2 Litre 16 Valve, with 5 speed manual ( Can also put 6 speed manual ) 150 BHP, 110 KW, Boring X Stroke both 86.0 The 2 Litre 16 Valve Turbo, with 6 speed manual 204 BHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 They would be nice but they don't exist here in the US and I haven't heard of an importer making them available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviathan Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 They would be nice but they don't exist here in the US and I haven't heard of an importer making them available. Actually, minus the turbo that looks like the engine in my wife's Suzuki Forenza. The Daewoo Laganza used a 2.2L version of the the same engine. I was shocked after buying the car to see GM stamped all over the engine compartment. Gas mileage is ok. Only about 25-28mpg city/hwy respective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 The engine is also in cars under the Chevrolet name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerAce Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 They would be nice but they don't exist here in the US and I haven't heard of an importer making them available. Aren't they just Ecotecs? I think the issue more is that the LSx/SBC swap is more well known/cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 They can be had pretty cheap actually, around $300 if you look hard enough. They are a relatively new engine though so finding engines won't be as easy as some other engines. I don't see anything wrong with them. If I was dead set on a turbo 4 cylinder they'd be an engine demanding me to compare it to the KA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted March 17, 2009 Administrators Share Posted March 17, 2009 I can't say with any certainty, but those don't look anything like an Ecotec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennysgreen280zt Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 the iron block leads me to believe its not an ECOTEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted March 17, 2009 Administrators Share Posted March 17, 2009 the iron block leads me to believe its not an ECOTEC That was my first thought. He posted two different blocks, though. This block is alum... ...still, the architecture is 'off'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted March 17, 2009 Administrators Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) According to Wiki, early Ecotec's were iron, and the Ecotec II's were alum... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine ...hmmm... Edited March 17, 2009 by RTz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 The Turbo block picture, I think they just painted it. It should by cast-iron. Anyhow there are also Ecotec's but that are the later versions. Ass from Wiki: The naturally-aspirated 16-valve version of the 2.0 L— 1998 cc (121.9 cu in) — cast iron block engine is the successor to the OHC-engines and a predecessor to the 16-valve Ecotec-line of engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragefear Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 the iron block eco was never anything that made it over to the states. Ecos did originate in europe as a joint venture with GM and Fiat. That opel motor is indeed an ecotec. Bart, is that your car? I am curious as to which transmission is bolted to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's not my car, I had a similiar engine in the past but in a opel corsa. The gearboxes for the engines are original: For the 16V: F20 5-speed manual For the 16VT: F28 6-speed manual, also AWD versions. The ratio's I have no idea! Sometimes the also bolt gearboxes from smaller engines, because the have close-ratio, lower top speed, more pulling. But they are less strong than the F20/28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlerMonkey Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The w41 Quad 442 olds had 190hp with no turbo..........but they do have longeivity issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 Here's a nice C20LET @ Johnc: They should be in the US to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Unfortunately those motors never came into the states . I wish they did, I'd put one in my mini in a heart beat. At any rate, they were named (internally by GM) as the "ecotec", though this motor came before the "US" Ecotec. IIRC, they're completely separate engines and designs (I like the Iron block euro motor better) and during the CX reign in europe when these motors were fighting with the big boys like the Cossie motors and the array of German DTM derivied monsters, we were stuck with the ol' quad 4 and it's deravitives. The new Ecotec is company wide and has a new head design along with an Alloy block and (unfortunately) some accountant decided they needed to lop off 4 of the 8 counterweights on their forged LSJ crankshaft. Either motor is amazing really, in the pro FWD classes of drag racing, while most motors are afforded a max displacement of 2.8L (The Toyota tacoma 2.7 is huge in this class), the Ecotec was capped at (I believe) 2.2L, maybe even 2.0L and they still consistently made the finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragefear Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 2.2, 2.4, and 2.0. 2.2 puts out around 140hp NA, 2.4 about 175hp NA, and the 2.0 at about 236hp turbo and 210hp supercharged. There is an m62 kit for the 2.2 put out from GM by eaton. The stock Saab turbo kits are relatively easy to put on the 2.2 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4xwellmurd3r Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 the engine he's shown are the C20XE model. They aren't ecotechs, and they were never in the states. (hurray google) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 He's right. Thanks to wiki... These engines use heads designed by Cosworth (Project KB) and the heads are reported to still flow better than the impressive Ecotec Heads. The final incarnation of these motors were stuffed in the Opel and Vauxhall Astra's Amongst others, the engine produced 156hp in NA form with a drop to 9.0:1 compression and the aid of 8.7psi, the turbocharged variant produced 204hp at 5600rpm and 210ft/lbs at 2100rpm. Pretty impressive numbers for a stock motor at those rev's if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yes, they are NOT ecotechs by any! The Calibra uses this engine to. The engine design of the C20XE has been there since the 80's. It set the market for all 16V designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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