Floorless240z Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Can't decide. Just got off the phone with Ground control. They would do 399 for the coilvers, $520 for tokico illuminas, and 599 for adj camber plates. so $1520 for everything. I've had ground controls before (for the e30, not the z). AZC kit is $1600. Shocks have more finite adjustment. A possible advantage here is I will be getting brakes from them front and back (4 piston 12.2" up front. Can't afford the 6 pot or 13") so maybe this would help me pricewise? I did a search and didn't find anything btw I haven't decided on spring rates/sways yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floorless240z Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Another big point are the camber plates. I know the AZC camber plates will have more adjustability. Ground control said they can achieve 2-2.5" of additional negative camber. AZC Ground-Control I don't have a welder, and while I did take a class in college the AZC plates are something I would definitely have to have someone else do. That factors in additional cost, I would assume ~3-400. I also am trying to avoid spraying my engine bay if I can, as it's the original paint and has a bit cool factor. Not a big factor by any means though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Looks to me like the GC has more adjustment, look how the slot goes closer to the center of the vehicle when it's installed. It also has a needle bearing that isolates the monoball from the weight of the vehicle, which is a pretty big difference functionally. Getting the rear camber plates square with the control arm is pretty crucial too if you're welding them in. Bolt in plates don't have a lot of room to spare so you really can't screw it up in terms of placement. In terms of shocks I think you're comparing apples and oranges. The proper comparison would be with GC's Advanced Design shocks, and that would add probably $900 to the GC bill, but they are a lot better than the Tokico Illuminas. Here are some other threads with good info: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=105666 http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=150039 http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35036 This thread should really be in the brakes/wheels/suspension/chassis forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floorless240z Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 that was a huge oversight on my behalf. It's been so long since I've been on this forum I completely forgot about the specific categories. Thank you very much for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 A big thing is the AZ's are weld in, while the GC's bolt in. Usually the max camber is limited by the top hat of the coilover hitting the inside of the strut tower, regardless of how much slot is remaining. jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac708 Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I just installed the GC front camber plates. Piece of cake! I don't like the hardware supplied with it. Hex bolts OK for camber adjustment but I am still looking for a more finished looking fastener for the plate/tower. Otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 A big thing is the AZ's are weld in, while the GC's bolt in. Usually the max camber is limited by the top hat of the coilover hitting the inside of the strut tower, regardless of how much slot is remaining. The GC's can go all the way in on my car with 2.5" ID springs. If the slot is longer one would figure that equates to more adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG58 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Gmac, what front disc setup are you running? Looks Slick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac708 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 90 Toyota 4-runner calipers and Z-31 rotor, purchased hub and rotor from Modernmotorsports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STDZ Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Interesting conversation... Ill throw this one out there... how far can you lower the car without sectioning the struts using coilovers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 About this far: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2000-autox-indisde-and-outside-I-think-my_8051.htm That's about 1" off the bumpstops. It isn't driveable on the street at that height but I put it there when I was autoxing and then cranked the shocks up to try and keep it off the bumpstops. Probably not the smartest idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STDZ Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 How would it not be driveable on the street? Too stiff to cause discomfort? What spring rates where you running? What struts did you run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4xwellmurd3r Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 well from the looks of it, the SLIGHTEST bump in the road would cause the car to bottom out VERY harshly. you'd destroy the bottom of the car very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STDZ Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 well from the looks of it, the SLIGHTEST bump in the road would cause the car to bottom out VERY harshly. you'd destroy the bottom of the car very quickly Stiffer springs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floorless240z Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 how does the tokico hts compare to the azc shock? I'm reading that the hts is rather lacking in range on rebound. sounds on par with adjustability though. comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube80z Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 how does the tokico hts compare to the azc shock? I'm reading that the hts is rather lacking in range on rebound. sounds on par with adjustability though. comments? Ideally you'd need a dyno plot of the shock and from that you can calculate the damping coefficient based on your unsprung weight. Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 How would it not be driveable on the street? Too stiff to cause discomfort? What spring rates where you running? What struts did you run? I had the WRONG springs and shocks for running that height. To run that height properly you need really insanely stiff springs, and it would still be completely undriveable on the street. Why? Because you couldn't get in or out of driveways, you'd high center on speed bumps that were 3" tall, might even hit the chassis on the ground if you hit a big enough pothole. I did that at that autox venue because it was totally flat concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STDZ Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 What spring rates where you running? What struts did you run? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 If you wanted to run the WRONG springs and struts for that height, you might try some 200/225 in/lb springs and Illumina struts. That would be stupid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00STDZ Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Say, 250/275 in/lb would be a better fit for that low(probably a 3" drop)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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