Try corner-carvers too, from about 95% of what I've found, unfortunately says that its a ghetto solution, and so is a welded rear but that one is more hotly debated with about 80% against and 20% said its "fine" to "workable". Once your done searching like mad on LSD, Phantom Grip, Welded Rear, Torsion, yada yada, I'm getting a Quaife.