sectumsempra Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If you're handy enough to install the $1500 Z power steering kit, you're probably handy enough to save $1400 and make your own. You need an Electric Power Steering Column from following vehicles which are manufactured by Koyo: Saturn Vue - from 2002 to 2007Chevrolet Equinox - from 2005 to 2007Saturn Ion - from 2003 to 2006 - only in steering column with metal ECU case. And this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saturn-Vue-Ion-Chevrolet-Equinox-Electric-power-steering-controller-box-EPAS-/182008071875?vxp=mtr (ebay seller: brunolopesantunes in case link goes dead) If you have an aftermarket ecm, megasquirt, etc with a vehicle speed sensor, you can even wire it in to adjust automatically to your settings at speed, if it will output variable resistance. Sorry, no pics. I have a million things to do to my Z before I worry about electric power steering. But there are plenty of other forums with write ups, and youtube videos demonstrating the concept. (disclosure: portions of text copied from http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Would you happen to have any pictures? Very curious as to how these things are mounted/adapted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socorob Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I pulled 2 saturn ones from the JY a year or more ago, but haven't gotten any firther than that. Its the adapters and welding that will take some time to figure out, plus the saturn motor is larger than the opel one I believe that is used inthe zpowersteering kit, so fitment looks like it may be an issue for me since I have vintage air AC installed, and there are some components that are closer to the steering shaft than stock. If someone figures out all the adapters to make it work, please post them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stock Car Mafia Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Wow, I am definitely interested if anyone works on this before I cross this bridge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I think everyone is kind of waiting not to be the first. I think I will pickup the controller and a motor. I think I have a little easier access with only an intake manifold on the driver side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sectumsempra Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Would you happen to have any pictures? Very curious as to how these things are mounted/adapted. If you click on the mustang forum link that I borrowed the majority of this text from, they lay it out pretty well. It would definitely take some patience and parts matching to get the splines to match up and length correct, but it's pretty much stick one thing through the other thing on the way to the steering rack, connect some wires, and bada bing! There are some other threads on this site that I had missed with smarter guys than me making it work, also. You can search "electric steering" and they will come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sectumsempra Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 I pulled 2 saturn ones from the JY a year or more ago, but haven't gotten any firther than that. Its the adapters and welding that will take some time to figure out, plus the saturn motor is larger than the opel one I believe that is used inthe zpowersteering kit, so fitment looks like it may be an issue for me since I have vintage air AC installed, and there are some components that are closer to the steering shaft than stock. If someone figures out all the adapters to make it work, please post them up. As far as I know, you can mount the motor pretty much anywhere you like before the rack. There is a guy with a Cobra kit car on youtube that has it mounted inside the engine bay. A local machine shop should be able to make you a shaft to fit for a "reasonable" sum. Even if it's pricey, it would still be cheaper than $1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayverippah Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 There are a number of posts about this already on HybridZ. I myself had it mounted on the engine side of the firewall and just fabbed up a new linkage. You get the controller of of eBay for the Saturn Vue motor, and attach a potentiometer to get variable assist. I got the idea from another member who did the same thing, and also sold a few setups so I know there are number of folks running it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Any pictures would be super helpful. Did you adapt from the steering linkage coupler? Or did you cut the shaft near the firewall and adapt to the column and then to the steering coupler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanthanh Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 There are a number of posts about this already on HybridZ. I myself had it mounted on the engine side of the firewall and just fabbed up a new linkage. You get the controller of of eBay for the Saturn Vue motor, and attach a potentiometer to get variable assist. I got the idea from another member who did the same thing, and also sold a few setups so I know there are number of folks running it. Have you guys gone autocrossing with this? I was told that you might not want to go this route in case it fails on something like autox. dangerous. I've been debating about this for a while. Gary Savage advised me to not go cheap and get the real deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namor Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Have you guys gone autocrossing with this? I was told that you might not want to go this route in case it fails on something like autox. dangerous. I've been debating about this for a while. Gary Savage advised me to not go cheap and get the real deal. It's just electric assist, right? It would be the same as if you lost your power steering, you could still control the vehicle, it would just take more effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky4566 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Depends on the box and how it fails. If it uses a worm gear like this then i wont matter so much when you lose power or motor fails. But if it uses a differential gear setup like this you would be screwed if the motor decides to free spin. Some even use creative solutions like this belt drive. Edited August 24, 2016 by jacky4566 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namor Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Depends on the box and how it fails. If it uses a worm gear like this then i wont matter so much when you lose power or motor fails. But if it uses a differential gear setup like this you would be screwed if the motor decides to free spin. Some even use creative solutions like this belt drive. Interesting, I wouldn't have expected a differential gear style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I was going to say that it still has a connection with the shaft. It is a steering assist device, so when it fails you still get manual steering, with the device it just reads which way you want to turn and assists via the electric motor. If anything autocross is where I would want it to fail, most courses have cone workers away from failure routes, that would be compared to say failing at 70 on the freeway with a big left sweeper coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky4566 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Ah yea that is correct. First glance at that design made it look like the fail would cause a complete loss. It's still the worst design of the bunch because if the motor seized, as can happen with overheating, then you lose control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calZ Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 How do the boxes with a worm gear work on no assist? You can't drive the worm gear with the gear on the shaft, so free-wheeling the electric motor wouldn't work. I know it works as I've seen the videos, I'm just not sure of the mechanism that allows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanthanh Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Ah yea that is correct. First glance at that design made it look like the fail would cause a complete loss. It's still the worst design of the bunch because if the motor seized, as can happen with overheating, then you lose control. So you're saying the saturn VUE is the worst design for this? as in it will lock up when overheated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calZ Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 He was referring to the "differential" design. I've always been under the impression that the Vue setup uses the worm gear design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanthanh Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Perfect. I thought so after I googled for saturn vue power steering issues. Shows that when power steering went out, it just was hard to drive. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 My understanding which admittedly is quite weak. The saturn vue motor is like the worm gear drive setup posted, I think an S2k has the the differential gear type setup. For a worm gear it is connected to a shaft, the motor assist by sensing the input and supplying torque to the gear via a screw type mechanism (think like your thumb on a crescent wrench) powered by the motor. If the motor fails it just doesn't have power behind it, any brushed motor will still turn by hand most of the time just not generate power. The worst type of failure would be intermittent I imagine. Like starters can sometimes work when they are in certain orientations or when shocked by a hit. That would cause a jerky sensation to the steering. In theory if you felt the steering wheel fighting you all of a sudden you could just go disconnect the relay that powers it and just have uninterrupted manual steering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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