Thanks for your response! Maybe I didn`t get it. But, at any rate, it was the wrong thread to be asking the question. So, I decided to go here..and maybe, other folks with the same problem could benefit. You guys down South sure have a lot of Z`s. We have a metro area of about the same size--and I`ve seen one Z with a MSA rear bumper, some stockers. The overwhelming amount are hondas. Thanks again, Roger