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Thanks Mike!

I know your right Guy and Im probably just talking smack but man the dreams dont stop coming... Terry

Damn this looks like my car except for the flairs. I really want these to upgrade my 240s stance. Are those the YZ rears? http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/533777/7386540/96475985.jpg Terry

Yippee! Thats good news......Ill have three years to decide.....may go with the aluminum BBC that grumpy was talking about... Terry

Tim, is the block the same size for a 502 with the same mounting points? I was thinking a 454 block 90 over with a 4.25 stroke for a 503 Cube combo. Then add some AFRs a little bigger cam and wholla.... Hey can anyone run that on the Desktop Dyno.. Flat tops, single plane and 850Dp etc.. Terry

Whew! Thanks again guys. I am in awe as well and cant believe the opportunity came about. The wheels are 18 inch and the dash is an OEM brand new dash with carbon fiber gauges reinserted into the original pods, NASCAR seat belts on RECAROS, DISK upgrades, 300ZX AXLES, Koni adjustable struts, 22 Gallon cell, metal flares, gosh I dont even know what all yet...will post when I get the list. The car just won its class at the show in San Antonio a few weeks back... Terry

No he is here in San Angelo Tx. He went by BBC Z. We go to the track together sometimes. He wanted to build another kitcar so is selling this to me. Which is good so we can keep the car here locally. However it will be in storage with the Black 240 for awhile till I come back from Japan. But boy the excitement is gonna be good when I get back and have that baby in my garage next to the 240.... Thanks for for the feedback guys. Terry

Hey guys Im buying this car to have a show car. Its got a fully built BBC 396 with T56 and spotless interior etc etc. Tell me what you all think. It was built to be a cruiser not a race car.. http://www.picturetrails.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=7386540&uid=533777 Terry

Good Luck Doc...make sure your fender wells dont slam on top of your tires. Its like a knife going thru hot butter. Mine did and almost cut through the damn tires. That would have been a disaster. My tires are only 27 inch tall and I cut out the fender to accomodate. Are your tires fully inside the wells? Be careful! Terry

LOL...why do all the new cars look like a 350Z???? Infinity, RX8, 350Z, 2006 Eclipse etc...???? Terry

Wholly Crap!!!!!!!!! unbelievable. Is the engine builder;s name MURPHY? Damn that sux bud....hang in there. CZ

Ryori no tetsujin...is that like IRON CHEF??? I love that show.....Omoshiroi desu ne! Ja gambatte kudasai...ato de yo!

Good info... Rather than emulating an American style, Datsun chose to contour the Z with European lines. A strong case can be made that the 240 was a direct conceptual descendant of the Toyota 2000GT, but the Toyota in turn owed its stylistic origins to the fastback designs of Jaguar, Ferrari, Maserati, and other European fastback designs. When the Datsun 240 arrived on American shores, it possessed the angular body lines currently popular in Europe, as well as an engine derived from a European manufacturer. While American aerodynamic design of the late 60's shared much in common with El Capitan and Mount Rushmore, European design was little better, with the slight advantage resulting primarily from lower and narrower cars; less flat plate area, in aerodynamic terms. Many European cars had less aerodynamic drag than American cars simply because they were smaller. The graceful profile of the Jaguar XKE predicted where aerodynamics would push cars in the years hence, but in 1969 little attention was paid to parasitic, cooling, body pan, profile, induced, and aft body drag. The Seventies would bring a move away from angular lines toward rounded shapes; the recessing of radio antennas, wipers, rear view mirrors and other appendages; reduced windshield angles; smooth belly pans; optimized cooling air apertures; and re-profiled noses and tails. All the types of drag noted above appear in the 240 Z resulting in a total drag penalty that is significantly greater than if each type of drag had been addressed and reduced by the Z's designers (which in fact they did do as the Z evolved). If one now wished to reduce the aerodynamic drag of an early Z, one would have to create solutions to the problems found in each of these areas, just as Datsun did with subsequent Z editions. What we'll do next is look at each station of the car and ascertain what kinds of drag are found in each location, and what the relative impact is of each. First, an explanation: "Stations" are hypothetical, transverse, vertical "slices" of a car, and of the air around a moving car. Station 0 is at the forward-most tip of the car, even with the center of the front bumper on the 240Z. Stations with a positive number (24, 48, 56, etc.) indicate the number of inches aft of station 0. Stations with a negative number refer to locations ahead of Station 0, and indicate pressure changes in the air ahead of a moving car. Now for a walking tour starting at Station 0 and moving aft. Looking at Station -12 to -36, we see that the area in front of a moving car is a high pressure area formed by air damming up in front of the vehicle. The dammed air will try to flow around the car somehow--under, over, or around, but in front of the car, a lot of air will remain relatively stationary compared to that flowing near the edges of the car. The pile of air the car pushes, combined with other types of drag, eats fuel and limits top speed so aerodynamic improvements are helpful. Looking at Station 0 from the side of the car, we find that the front edge of the hood and the front edge of the lower valence define the radiator opening, and do most of the work of channeling airflow. The bumper, which is not integrated into the bodywork, divides the airflow, creates drag, and reduces airflow into the area just ahead of the radiator. The area between the hood on top, the valence on the bottom, and the headlight cans on each side can be thought of as forming a cooling air plenum which should guide air through the radiator. However, because Datsun designed the hood and valence for looks and not function, quite a bit of the air in this plenum "leaks" out into the front fender wells, through holes in the radiator bulkhead, and under the radiator. All the air that avoids transiting the radiator produces some lift (about 75 pounds at 60 mph) and raises the front of the car slightly, producing a slight reduction in traction, an increase in toe-in, and slightly more positive camber. The waste of cooling air is important because any air that escapes the radiator 1) does not assist in the cooling of the engine; 2) causes drag as it tries to exit the engine bay, and 3) causes front end lift. Many newer cars are much more efficient at using cooling air, funneling the air from the body's cooling air inlet into the radiator with few leaks along the way. Improving the early ZÕs front end aerodynamics involves closing off cooling air leaks and adding ductwork to prevent high pressure air from bypassing the radiator. If we were to get more specific about cooling air, we would pay attention to the rule of thumb regarding cooling air inlets and outlets: the exit area should amount to two to three times that of inlet area. The 240 would thus benefit from less air inlet area and tighter plenum ductwork. The G-nose 240Z, produced in very few numbers, was ahead of its time and aerodynamically superior to the production 240. The G-nose extended the hood line forward and down to meet the bumper, trapping less air beneath the front hood edge, routing more air over the car, and reducing the cooling air entry aperture. Datsun would not repeat this integral hood/bumper trait in the Z line until the advent of the early 300 ZX. Stations 0 through 20 contain the headlight buckets, and the turn signals and marker lights, located outboard, aft, and just below the lip of the valence. While the turn signals and marker lights are more fully faired into the body than many cars of the era, they still protrude slightly from the bodywork, and present a noticeably bumpier surface than their descendants on late 80's and 90's cars. Any type of protuberance creates what is known as parasitic drag. The role of parasitic drag in a car's overall drag equation is significant, if not primary, and the desire to address and reduce parasitic drag has created the smooth car exteriors we find today. The headlight buckets are aptly named: they catch a lot of air, increase airflow turbulence, and produce a lot of drag. The cool solution to the bucketsÑheadlight coversÑcan really smooth up that whole area, but they are, unfortunately, frowned on by many motor vehicle departments. Stations 20 through 62 contain the upper surface of the hood and front wheel openings. Air moving over the forward portion of the hood is still relatively high pressure air, though less so than the air directly in front of the radiator. The high pressure continues all the way to the windshield at station 60, which is why ventilation air intakes are located just in front of the windshield, and also why opening the hood slightly does not result in significant venting of hot air from the engine bay. One would think that such a large area of high pressure would push the hood and windshield down, but lift generated by the air dammed up by the front of the car is greater and the net vector is upward. Drag created by the hood's "engine bulge" is relatively small, compared to other early Z features, but it is significant enough that few modern cars advertising exceptional fuel economy possess them. Parasitic drag in the hood area from stations 62 through 82 is created by exposed windshield wiper arms and shafts, as well as from the rearview mirrors. As with the several other protrusions from the 240's exterior, these components represent only a small portion of the total drag picture, but they do produce drag and noise. I have never seen a single allusion to the aerodynamics of wheel well openings, which is odd considering the size of the feature, and therefore can report nothing on their aerodynamic impact. But I have some places yet to check, and if more information turns up, I'll report on that in the future. The angle of the windshield introduces another kind of drag: profile drag. Profile drag results from the general shape of an object, and is greater when profiles approach an angle perpendicular to the air flow. When the profile is closer to being parallel with the airflow, profile drag is reduced. The 240's windshield angle compares favorably to many cars of the era (the Jag XKE for example), but it is noticeably steeper than that of almost all modern cars. Park your Z next to a 1996 Corvette and check it out. Looking down from directly above the car, the early Z windshield is also relatively flat, i.e.: the left and right sides do not curve around very much. Air flowing from in front of the windshield around the A-pillars to get to the sides of the car must make a sharp turn, and sharp turns always produce drag. Compare the Z windshield to that of modern cars and you will see how much attention current designs give to easing air from in front of the windshield around the sides of the cockpit. Station 82 through 156 includes the top of the car, side windows, rear quarter windows, over-door drip rails, doors, door handles, rear fenders, hatch, and antenna. A lot is going on here, but the total falls into one of two general drag categories and we'll look at each. The top of the car is one of the smoothest places on the entire Z, and while smooth is generally good from a drag perspective, here it has another negative effect. The smooth top of the Z, gently falling to the tail, encourages high velocity air to remain attached to the roof surface and that attachment produces lift on the aft section of the body. The figure that comes to mind is 120 pounds of lift on the rear of the car, but I don't recall now at what speed that figure is reached, though I believe it was either 60 or 100 mph. Lift on the aft body relieves load on the springs and the aft body lifts slightly. The MacPherson strut rear suspension acts like the front suspension when the body is raised: camber becomes slightly more positive and toe-in changes slightly compared to the body's static setting. The mismatch of lift between front and rear at speed on the 240 is a major reason why the Z is known as an understeering car at low speeds and an oversteering car at high speeds. Oversteer and understeer characteristics are formed by more than suspension type and settings. An optional rear spoiler was available for the 240 almost from the beginning, though relatively few 240's possessed one. Changing the aft body lift characteristics of the 240 involves either creating downforce, as with the original rear spoiler, or "spoiling" the lift before it begins. A more effective alternative than a rear spoiler would be small, integral turbulator strips in the roof near the forward edge of the hatch, similar to those now found on many upscale driver helmets. Turbulator strips placed perpendicular to the airflow detach flowing air from the curved surface of the helmet (or wing, or Z top) and make it turbulent. Turbulent air does not stay attached to the helmet surface, and lift is reduced or "spoiled." No one has ever marketed turbulator strips for the early Z or any other production car to my knowledge, but it is easy to see that such additions would fundamentally alter the unique lines of roofs and aft bodies, and thus probably be hard to sell. Reducing the downward slope of the hatch also would reduce the amount of lift generated, but then the distinctive Z shape would be lost. Aft body lift produces drag of a type known as induced drag. Modern designers have moved a few paces down the road since the 240 and actively attempt to profile car bodies aft of the cabin area to reduce turbulence, lift, and drag while maintaining visibility and marketable style. Function can always be improved, but is in the end beholden to style. Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion, for example, took streamlining to the nth degree, totally ignoring style. The result was a teardrop shaped vehicle that looked (and sold) more like a fighter drop tank than a car and thus passed into history. But for its size, the Dymaxion had good aerodynamics. An aerodynamic comparison of the 240 to two other high performance rooflines is useful. The first is the elevated rear deck style as found on the Toyota MR2, Lotus Europa, or Ferrari Dino. Air flowing off the roof burbles turbulently back over the rear deck, creating less lift than is found in the 240. The turbulent air carries its own drag penalty, but that penalty decreases as the distance from the rooftop to the rear deck decreases, and the distance is small in these three cars. Ferrari also makes use of the low pressure formed by the sudden dropoff of the roof to the deck to assist engine cooling airflow, reaping some benefit from the profile. The other style, found in the elevated aft roofline of some late model Honda Civics, carries the majority of cabin height all the way to the aft end of the car. Lift and, in some cases, even drag is reduced with this style, but negatives tend to include relatively poor aft visibility and an excessive high position for the large, heavy window that's used to improve the poor visibility. This style contains a subset of cars such as the Nissan 300ZX and Dodge Stealth (and the new Z??) possessing tall aft bodies and general wedge shapes, and having aerodynamics similar to the Civic. The 240's side windows, quarter windows, door handles, and drip rails are not flush, and all the bumps produce parasitic drag and noise. The same is true for the radio antenna. While these components do not comprise a major percentage of the overall drag of the 240, they cumulatively represent a drag penalty that is worth avoiding. Hidden from view, the 240's bottom is a last place to take stock. Of course the 240's belly is rife with all sorts of odd shaped valleys and projections, all of which interfere with the smooth passage of air. But the 240 is not much different from the most modern autos: full belly pans have become neither practical nor popular. Current cars do have better developed front belly pans than does the 240, but underbody aerodynamics have only been adopted and explored by formula cars to date. This could easily change; all it would take is another fuel supply crisis. But for now the 240 is pretty much on par with other cars. Conclusion Reasonable aerodynamic improvements for the early Z are limited to cooling air inlet plenum improvements, cooling aperture alterations (G-nose kits), headlight covers, aftermarket front air dams, and rear spoilers. Other improvementsÑrecessed wipers, antennas, marker and turn lights, and handle-less door latches are possible with a little more effort, and still preserve the Z's shape. Still others including windshield angle, flush windows, and altered aft body contours are only for the most advanced do-it-yourselfer to whom aerodynamics have become more important than style preservation. Terry

Battle, is that some kind of secret code? What are you saying? LOL...

Thanks Sparks...the emblems have two prongs and need holes drilled to punch into. The 350Z hood emblem was just tape backed. I lowered the front spoiler only to see if it makes a difference down the track at over 120MPH..The bad thing is that I now hit everything in the road if Imnot careful.. Terry

Hey guys I bought the 350Z fender emblems and replaced the old 240 rear quarter window emblems with them. Tell me what you all think. I think it was meant to be and gives a more modern stance. http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/533777/2829352/95335236.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/533777/2829352/95335223.jpg Also I took Baastads idea of lawn trim and did my lower front spoiler. what do you all think about that? Im taking it to the track once more on the 7th and will try for a 10.7/8 run with timing adjustments... http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/533777/2829352/95335262.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/533777/2829352/95335243.jpg Terry

Just my two cents worth. I have been around Zs for 20 plus years now and have drove L6s built and even a turbo. Your really comparing Apples to Oranges. Besides the sound differences, you cant compare Turboed engines to NAs, especially power differences. I guess it all depends what your looking for. If you like boost and the wow factor go ProCharged/Turboed LS1 etc, then theres no comparison with possibilities. In other words with all being equal.....theres no replacement for displacement and thats just the law of nature not my biases.....lol. BTW, if you look at a typical turboed RB or 2JZ etc, you have some doing 11.00s at around 128 to 130 MPH. A mildly built V8 is doing it at only 120-122 or so. Torque is where its at and how fast you can get it and maintain it. 1.3 seconds lost on lag can mean 3 seconds down the quarter! Turboes make it up down the big end but sometimes its all over before it starts. Now just ask TurboMiester, he has the best of both worlds. Just some thought on my side. No bad on turboes just some food for thought. Terry

Mike as long as you dont get the 1988 SE turbo axles they are all the same spline wise. My current diff came out of a 1985 non turbo and the axles were 4 bolt. The 87 and 89 axles are the same splines as mine. However if you find a 1988 SE axle set Ill take em! Terry

10.8 at 134??? That bug must get no traction to speak of because I ran a 10.9 at only 122.....please explain...

Yep I was wondering the same thing but being a gentleman I am......also since Im a little jealous about other cars, why is there a 510 and Gazelle in the timeslip database? Isnt this a Z board? Seems a bit inappropriate dont ya think? And yes Im jealous, at least I admit it! Terry

Hey! Thats my girlfriend..............lol. CZ

Great run Doc! Get down to earth and youll really be flying! Terry

Dude thats not cool looking...that is fricken brilliant!!!!! Now maybe some air ducts on the sides venting the rear quarters... Terry

Were growing all the time!!!! Cool beans...

A tub of vasoline....LMAO!!! In the Marine Corps we called it "The big green Weenie"! Vasoline was needed most of the time however! Terry