Larryz 260 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I am going to buy new lower control arms. I like the way you can adjust both of them, but witch one is better? Azc's is more $$$ and lighter. MM's is one pound heavier then stock and less $$$, so witch one is better over all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I've got both. Depends on what you are doing with the car. AZ is full race stuff. Gets rid of the spindle pin and no rubber bushings on the out board side. Inner bushings are your choice. I've got the nylon hard bushings that Dave sells on the inboard side of mine. MM's use rubber bushing on the outboard side. Retains the spindel pin. Inner is your choice. These are better suited for the street driven car but still offer the on car adjustablity. Both are top notch, well made products that we are lucky to have available for the Z car community. Choose wisely..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nope Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 eh i vote azc lca's. i have them and theyre a better design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I've installed the AZC arms and they are a royal pain in the arse to adjust and install... And NOPE, I'm not sure how you can make a claim that they are a "better" design... Better for which application? Mark's description of the two arms is pretty spot on from what I know about both arms. Ross designed the rear arm to be a good street/track arm with the ability to live on the street w/ some track day use... As Mark said, Choose wisely... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleMX Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 I chose to use the MM's. Really nice. I used the Poly bushings and everything fit just right. The spindle pins were a huge PITA but ended up ok. You can make adjustment with the car on the ground no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I've installed the AZC arms and they are a royal pain in the arse to adjust and install... And NOPE' date=' I'm not sure how you can make a claim that they are a "better" design... Better for which application? Mark's description of the two arms is pretty spot on from what I know about both arms. Ross designed the rear arm to be a good street/track arm with the ability to live on the street w/ some track day use... As Mark said, Choose wisely... Mike[/quote'] I'm curious how the AZ arms are such a pain to adjust? I own them and found it be pretty easy. Dave's earlier models were not "on the car" adjustable, but the current ones allow the front mount to be. I personally didn't find the ride comfort too bad on the street either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_hunt Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I was looking at buying the same for the front. I'm guessing here but for a drag application I'm assuming the azc one's to be the right choice since adjustment will probably never change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I only have experience with the MM arms and tow/tracking adjustment is very easy and they are plenty strong enough. The outer ends have poly bushings and Ross is currently working on a rod end outer for a racing application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Toe adjustment is better on the AZC arm than on his earlier design... I'm refering to setting up the Camber on them... Not sure how Ross does his, but The AZC unit isn't ON CAR adjustable for camber. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 That's what camber plates are for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nope Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 That's what camber plates are for... haha yea, exactly. if you wanted to you could pull out that spindle pin dave supplies (way easier than stock pin) and turn the rod ends. im really glad he provides his own pins, because damn if i ever see one of those stock pins again.. ill make little children passing by cry. as far as how i can claim the azc lca's are a "better" design, i was just referring to how robust and clean they are.. personal opinion you might even say. load paths are better. i didn't like the slightly bent tube idea at first but its actually pretty smart in terms of part continuity, as well as manufacturing. when you said "for which application," im assuming you were talking about the bushings vs rod ends.. but no ones raising debate there. i mean if you want compliance, you get lca's with bushings. im just talking about the geometry. on car adjustment is pretty damn straightforward too.. if youre having trouble deciding its pretty much going to come down to the outboard pickups you want. im sure almost everyone here whos bought lca's has gone through the same dilemma.. you want the azc ones, but youre not sure you want to jump into rod ends. good luck deciding man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preith Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I forgot about camber, you're correct, that is a bit trickier, but like nope said, the pins, or bolts, are much much easier to remove. Jon was a little harsh, sure that's what camber plates for, but there's plenty of room to play with when both are used. I like to adjust the camber with the arms so the plates have plenty of room on either side, for easy adjustments at the track. Also, small adjustments on the arms translate to large adjustmens up top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz 260 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 Thanks everyone I still don't know witch way to go. Dose anyone know how much road noise the azc ones would have. I'm leaning towards the azc's but still not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nope Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 ah man its a s30 z.. make it fast and harsh no compromises and love it. plus it the only way youre gonna get girls with this car. if youre worried about smooth youll need at least a g35 coupe.. haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I forgot about camber, you're correct, that is a bit trickier, but like nope said, the pins, or bolts, are much much easier to remove. Jon was a little harsh, sure that's what camber plates for, but there's plenty of room to play with when both are used. I like to adjust the camber with the arms so the plates have plenty of room on either side, for easy adjustments at the track. Also, small adjustments on the arms translate to large adjustmens up top. Didn't mean to be harsh. I just don't like adjusting camber from the bottom, especially when you have to fix it when one side is 2 degrees off from the other side. I'd rather set the track width with the rod ends and set the camber with the plates on top. Yes, it means that you have to buy both. But it does allow you to keep your track widths consistent and inline front to back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz 260 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 John I picked up my frist girl in my frist Z 27 years ago. She is now my wife of 24 years. She still likes my car, She is the one who siad I should do the ground up resto. I don't think she knows what she did or how fast it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I'm not a big fan of plates, because they can slip. Good to measure alignment settings before and after to let you know if they are. Personally, I'm glad Ross stepped up to the plate with his stuff. Gave an alternative to AZC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nope Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 John I picked up my frist girl in my frist Z 27 years ago. She is now my wife of 24 years. She still likes my car, She is the one who siad I should do the ground up resto. I don't think she knows what she did or how fast it will be. haha cool man.. i knew my comment would be hit or miss with the crowd on here. but hey, like you said.. shes a girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I'm not a big fan of plates' date=' because they can slip. Good to measure alignment settings before and after to let you know if they are. Personally, I'm glad Ross stepped up to the plate with his stuff. Gave an alternative to AZC.[/quote']' Never heard of a camber plate slipping. Heard 2 people (including you) talk about how it CAN happen, but I've never heard of it actually happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifton Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I haven't had a camber plate slip and I only run 2 of the 4 bolts per side. They make quick adjustments so much easier if you weekend autoX. I couldn't imaging running the camber I do for autoX on the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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