mason4300 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I want these on my Z. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/FREE/61106011/1065 what do you guys think? Wonder how long it'll be until they're on all the new cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotimport Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 HuH thats weird looking caliper but the stopping power is insane. I really dont think that they will be better then Brembos but who know. They will aparently will put them into most German cars to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantaz Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 im curious about heat dissapation though... doesnt look vented at all more like sandwiched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnusx1 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Isn't our technological limit to braking distance, tire traction not caliper grip? Good modulation is nice to have but the limit is traction with the road, not the design of the caliper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannji Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Isn't our technological limit to braking distance, tire traction not caliper grip? Good modulation is nice to have but the limit is traction with the road, not the design of the caliper. True, but apparently, the gains are made in the area near where you lose traction and have to release the brakes somewhat to stop a skid.... these brakes should allow for better performance without the poor modulation of ABS, and would theoretically be an improvement over a "good driver" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 It sounds like an over complex potentially problematical system to me, a solution to a problem which in practical terms does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 The only thing better brake calipers and rotors does is continue to provide the good stopping distance over and over. Nearly any car you could find would have the power to lock up the tires, so it is like you said cygnusx1 it really just matters on your traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boodlefoof Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Sounds neat, but It seems like this would really reduce "pedal feel." I personally like to be able to modulate braking myself and not rely on an electric motor to do it for me. Soon enough I suppose cars will just be driving themselves and we'll all just be passengers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003z Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Those are interesting, but I prefer these 14 pistons calipers I saw at SEMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Ahhh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetleaf Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 The only thing I don't like is the loss of pedal feel. Otherwise it would be great not to have hydralic lines and resirvoirs(SP?). Would really cleanup the engine compartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjc5500 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Sounds like a good idea, but i too would hate to loose peddle feel. Im sure they will come up with a system for pedel feel. they have tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 This is all fine and good but the more we complicate things the more opportunities there are for failure... KISS. When it comes to motivating a vehicle, that's one thing. When it comes to stopping it... that's another!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo280zEd Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 This is all fine and good but the more we complicate things the more opportunities there are for failure... KISS. When it comes to motivating a vehicle, that's one thing. When it comes to stopping it... that's another!! My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I do definitely agree with all the statements made about pedal feel. My truck has a drive by wire throttle, but it's kind of transparent. It's not as bad as I expected. You feel the vehicle torque over and the chassis vibrates as you rev. It would be different with brakes. I don't know that the sensation of "slowing" is enough to help you modulate your braking accurately. I just have faith that it won't just be an on/off switch with anti-lock to save you. (I hope) This is all fine and good but the more we complicate things the more opportunities there are for failure... KISS. When it comes to motivating a vehicle, that's one thing. When it comes to stopping it... that's another!! We've already over-complicated it. Actually this simplifies things. For all intents and purposes vehicles built today have two braking systems. Crap like this is what makes new cars so damn heavy. No more ABS computer and the rats nest of hydraulic lines and sensors to it. No more brake lines and attendant hardware, just a wire that you can route anywhere without needing a bender. No issues of fluid boiling. I particularly like the fact that through the magic of simple lever/inclined plane physics, it actually progressively applies more stopping friction as you brake. With present braking systems it takes incrementally greater applied force to brake more. (why isn't there some sort of radially floating caliper that takes advantage of this principle already?) You can bemoan the marching on of technology, but I've owned more than one vehicle with 4 wheel drum brakes. I'm damn glad 4 wheel discs became the standard. -Tucker got his way! It's all but impossible to buy a car without ABS today, it's here to stay. This improves upon that. It still remains to be seen if this functions as well as they claim. The OEM's will not release this if any safety/emergency braking issues cannot be addressed. They can't afford to. They have no problem selling you a vehicle that barely runs, but if people die, they have to answer for it. That = $$$. As Mopar69 said, locking up is not a measure of braking. Any piece of crap car can lock up the brakes. This is not proof of braking ability. Baer used to have a very good spiel about this in their old paper catalog. If you lock up the brakes, your tires no longer have traction. It's all about walking that tight rope just before lockup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2126 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 If nothing else.....there would be no brake fluid to bleed or heat up!!! Certainly wouldn't want to lose EMF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason4300 Posted November 15, 2006 Author Share Posted November 15, 2006 I pretty much agree with all of you, those were the same thoughts that went through my head when I read the article, so I'm glad it's not just me. Still, I'd like to see how they feel and work. And 2003Z, those are crazy huge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMWHYR0HEN Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I hope they really test them thoroughly, because I can already see problems with an electronic braking system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I'd think control would have to be PWM and some sort of feedback mechanism for the pedal should be employed. A BIG part of knowing the FEEL of your car is the brakes. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnusx1 Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I agree that todays brake systems need to be cheaper and less complex. Think about it. They are pretty antiquated by design. The only thing I doubt is that this invention will give significantly shorter stopping distances. Other than that, all issues can be overcome by design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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