AKWIKZ Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 This should be somewhat eye opening for those that claim the GT-R is too expensive. It's a video of the assembly line. The only time I have seen this kind of attention to detail on an assembly line is at a Porsche, Ferrari, or Lambo plant. It may be known that the engines and drivetrains are hand assembled but now it looks as though nearly the whole car is hand assembled. Add this to the world beating performance and the car becomes an absolute deal at $70k. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 World beating performance? I don't know about that, but it is certainly good to see Nissan stepping it up a notch or three... So Brian, You put your order in yet? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buZy Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Cool Video. Looks like much of consideration detail too. But in the 70K range I think I would go with a Z06 instead. ...Still waiting for Nissan to turbo the Z.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKWIKZ Posted December 2, 2007 Author Share Posted December 2, 2007 World beating performance? I don't know about that, but it is certainly good to see Nissan stepping it up a notch or three... So Brian, You put your order in yet? Mike If I were able to sell my '73, perhaps. As it is right now the wife is not too keen on me having multiple toy cars again. Can't say that I blame her. She was extremely tolerant of the 10+ cars I had in the back yard just a few years ago back in San Diego. The deal at that time was that I would liquidate everything and focus on just one car at a time. That is how I bought my first Skyline and the deal has pretty much stayed in place since. Although right now I'm really enjoying actually driving my '73. Like most of the other members here, I have spent more time under my cars than behind the wheel. On a somewhat related note, I was approached by a salesman from one of the local Nissan dealerships while at the weekly local car show. He wanted to know if I might be interested in loaning my car for a side by side display once they got the new one. It's an intriguing idea to say the least. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeboy Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 I have a co-worker who made it a point to make sure I read the article in Motor Trend "Corvette Killer" and email the video of the assembly process. Even though there assembly process is great, for the money I would go ZO6 and a used one at that (prices are going down). The GTR may find it's niche, but GM has the new Corvette ZR1 due out, and I do not think Nissan can counter punch the ZR1. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKWIKZ Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 GM will have it's own problems trying to sell the new ZR-1 for $115k. The last one was not much of a sales success either. $55k in 1988 for a vette was a hard sell. For all of the talk about Nissan treading on exotic type money GM will be clearly in the Porsche price tag area with that one. And let's be honest, there has not been a GM car yet that has the fit and finish of a 911 or the "quality feel" for lack of a better term. Having grown up in a GM family and having driven numerous Vettes over the years I can tell you that there have been many good things done with that car, but not $115k good. To use your anology, at $100k+ I could get a slightly used 911 GT2 and sink $30k into it and still take my wife on vacation. Or, I could buy a brand spankin new GT-R and sink $45k into it. What kind of car do you think that would be? I'll tell you, it would be terrifying. But these kinds of comparisons are pointless. In reality very few people cross shop like that, especially new cars. A guy interested, and able, to buy a 911 turbo probably won't look at a Z06. By the same token, a potential Z06 buyer would find the GT-R to not fit his style. All three of these are very different cars with different expected markets. As I mentioned before, my family has been GM since before I was born. My father has owned a Vette since '73 and has owned quite a few. He is in my opinion a typical Vette owner. Somewhat blind to the other options out there and in no way would he ever consider owning a Porsche or Skyline. He genuinely believes a Chevy V8 is the only way to make power. Having seen the RB26 under the hood of my car he boldly insists my car has to be slow. He can't wrap his brain around the possibility (and in this case the reality) that my car could beat his C5. People seem to identify themselves with their choice of cars and become a bit myopic. We've all been guilty of it at one time or another, it just seems that there are those out there that are guilty of doing it all of the time. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Brian, you should loan them your 73 in return for getting invoice on a new one...why not use it as your daily? The new GT-R is the first new car I've ever actually wanted to buy, and I don't think it's overpriced at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S12 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Significant Trade-in option?..... haha. I'll "trade ya" my 73 for your GT-R. beautiful cars, and like you said, the attention to detail is sweet. Would love to have a looksie myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete84 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I have a co-worker who made it a point to make sure I read the article in Motor Trend "Corvette Killer" and email the video of the assembly process. Even though there assembly process is great, for the money I would go ZO6 and a used one at that (prices are going down). The GTR may find it's niche, but GM has the new Corvette ZR1 due out, and I do not think Nissan can counter punch the ZR1. Just my 2 cents. All that it would take for the GT-R to compete with the 'ZR1' would be to make a Nismo version with higher boost, might need different turbos to stay reliable for 60K miles, but it would be quite possible, and a lot cheaper than developing a new engine like GM did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest S12 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 All that it would take for the GT-R to compete with the 'ZR1' would be to make a Nismo version with higher boost, might need different turbos to stay reliable for 60K miles, but it would be quite possible, and a lot cheaper than developing a new engine like GM did. And shall we compare prior Corvette sales to Gt-R's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crispy Chicken Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I don't know guys the new gtr's kinda look ugly but they do have a IRS all wheel drive transaxle set up!!! Car is still going to be sweet!! there has not been a GM car yet that has the fit and finish of a 911 or the "quality feel" for lack of a better term. Brian Have you ever drove a new Z06? How does it feel to take a car off the show room floor and run 10's at 28 mpg na haha? With out getting into detail. If you really look at that car inside out it's kinda hard to put a 911 that far ahead of it. If at all when it comes to enginuity performance and finish.. Could you imagine if they came out with a twin turbo zo6 model. How would that compare to a twin turbo 911 and other high production sports car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKWIKZ Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 Have you ever drove a new Z06? How does it feel to take a car off the show room floor and run 10's at 28 mpg na haha? With out getting into detail. If you really look at that car inside out it's kinda hard to put a 911 that far ahead of it. If at all when it comes to enginuity performance and finish.. Could you imagine if they came out with a twin turbo zo6 model. How would that compare to a twin turbo 911 and other high production sports car? This is what I am talking about. Where exactly did you get these numbers from? Because both Motor Trend and Car and Driver each could get no better than 12.5 @ 115 with a stock C6 Z06 Corvette. Show me a 10 second slip for a bone stock, showroom Z06. While I have not personally driven a C6 Z06, I have though driven both a C5 and a C6 and can actually tell you that the interior finish looks to have actually declined in the C6 when compared to the earlier C5. You would really really need to squint to think any GM interior is up to par with a Porsche. And as for your speculation on a turbo Z06, what are you expecting to prove? That can be said for any car out there. What if Honda was to take it's F1 V10 and stick it into an Accord? It's a pointless comment. To my knowledge GM has not made a twin turbo Corvette. So unless you have some insider info I suggest we keep this discussion in the realm of reality and not sci-fi. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfreer85 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 And shall we compare prior Corvette sales to Gt-R's? Umm sure? Was that supposed to be a counter point? I think Brian has a valid point, brand loyalist will be brand loyalist. The Skylline has its pro's the Corvette has it pro's. I don't think its fair to compare two cars in different price ranges really, don't let the brand loyalty keep you from either car. Choose the car that fits you physically, emotionally, performance, and in your price range. Just my .02 Tyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crispy Chicken Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 This is what I am talking about. Where exactly did you get these numbers from? Because both Motor Trend and Car and Driver each could get no better than 12.5 @ 115 with a stock C6 Z06 Corvette. Show me a 10 second slip for a bone stock, showroom Z06. While I have not personally driven a C6 Z06, I have though driven both a C5 and a C6 and can actually tell you that the interior finish looks to have actually declined in the C6 when compared to the earlier C5. You would really really need to squint to think any GM interior is up to par with a Porsche. And as for your speculation on a turbo Z06, what are you expecting to prove? That can be said for any car out there. What if Honda was to take it's F1 V10 and stick it into an Accord? It's a pointless comment. To my knowledge GM has not made a twin turbo Corvette. So unless you have some insider info I suggest we keep this discussion in the realm of reality and not sci-fi. Brian sci-fi this!! Unlike you I don't base my knowledge and factual information from Motor Trend and Car and Driver from the local super market!!! As far as Hondas F1 V10 in an Accord now thats a cool idea!!!! A bone stock on stock tires C6 Z06 : 11.08 @ 128 11.11 @ 128, 11.02 @ 129 10.98 @ 129 All on the Factory issued Run Flat tires. And then on drag radials only: 10.96 @ 130, 10.92 @ 129 finally a 10.83 @ 130 mph! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKWIKZ Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 Obviously you are a bit irrational and emotional. The sci-fi comment was regarding the twin turbo Vette comment. And as for your alleged proof of "running 10's" on a stock Vette, I call B.S. Even if that car is truly stock, which I doubt it is, it ran one pass out of four that put it into the 10's. Hardly convincing. And as for your apparent dislike for unbiased reporting you will need to forgive me for taking the word of a well established and proven magazine over yours. Time and time again both of the magazines I mentioned have proven accurate and reliable. To be able to say that a car runs 10's off the showroom floor you would need to show than anyone anytime can repeat it with any C6 Z06. And you have not done this. As I said earlier people identify themselves with their choice of car and become irrational. Simply reading your signature shows you have a propensity for GM vehicles and are most likely not qualified to have an adult conversation on the subject. Not to mention your poor grammar and "street slang" do little to help your cause. But if it helps you sleep at night, then fine, you sure showed me up. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crispy Chicken Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Obviously Simply reading your signature shows you have a propensity for GM vehicles and are most likely not qualified to have an adult conversation on the subject. Brian Based on signature's I currently own more imports than you! Not to mention twice the nissans!!!! http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1876797 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240swapped Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 must be one of those new downhill 1/4 mile tracks. Being a superior driver, I was asked by a friend to make a couple passes in my friend's C6ZO6 and ran about .3 seconds faster......a 12.4!!!!! then.....a 12.3!!!!! then, a 10.9!!!!!!!!!!......ok, so the last one was bullsh*t, but here in memphis the track makes no change in elevation. fun thread to watch and I normally wouldn't butt into an argument, but i couldn't help it on this one since i just drove two months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240swapped Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 must be one of those new downhill 1/4 mile tracks. Being a superior driver, I was asked by a friend to make a couple passes in my friend's C6ZO6 and ran about .3 seconds faster......a 12.4!!!!! then.....a 12.3!!!!! then, a 10.9!!!!!!!!!!......ok, so the last one was bullsh*t, but here in memphis the track makes no change in elevation. fun thread to watch and I normally wouldn't butt into an argument, but i couldn't help it on this one since i just drove two months ago. for got to mention that car has aftermarket exhaust on it, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruez Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I admit, The design of the new GTR has grown on me... and I agree, you don't see that kind of attention to detail in ordinary cars.. Anyone seen this video of it yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My7ZiAnQxZI&feature=related and where the hell is this thread headed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crispy Chicken Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 must be one of those new downhill 1/4 mile tracks. Being a superior driver, I was asked by a friend to make a couple passes in my friend's C6ZO6 and ran about .3 seconds faster......a 12.4!!!!! then.....a 12.3!!!!! then, a 10.9!!!!!!!!!!......ok, so the last one was bullsh*t, but here in memphis the track makes no change in elevation. fun thread to watch and I normally wouldn't butt into an argument, but i couldn't help it on this one since i just drove two months ago. Maybe your not as good of a driver as you think.. A few months ago at moroso some guy brought out his new z06 he bought the same day. He was running mid 11's the whole night!! I watched this with my own eyes!! I have no reason to lie! Tell these guys about your 12 second runs with a new zo6 and how good of a driver you are!! haha http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1876797 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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