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240z SCCA vintage race car, restoration
Dat73z replied to AydinZ71's topic in S30 Series - 240z, 260z, 280z
@AydinZ71 I went through something similar, the dims my crank was done to from one builder ended up being NLA so the entire crank had to be welded and reground which cost maybe 1k overall so fairly reasonable. The knife edging and a bunch of other work was already done, and I got the crank in a deal so it made sense to keep it. Depending on how far you want to go with it, choosing your bearing types are still on the table if you're willing to do that. -
Tonight I did a mid project clean up around the car. It's hard to stay organized with multiple projects going on. I think I've have this shell for almost a decade now. The original plan with the first rebuild was to spray it in quick and have a clean driver. When I got the car it looked like a chalkboard but I gave it a quick buff maybe 7 years ago and kept it in survivor patina since. Every time I was going to work the body and paint it, I ended up stripping it back down to a shell and rebuilding it or something else came up in life where I just needed to daily it. I've been thinking over the weekend, to maybe strip it back down to a shell again and spray it all in glass out. But that would be a 3-6 month project at a minimum.
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On the tstat install, as is typical I had to make some light modification, grinding the housing ribs to fit the modified Robertshaw unit. No big deal, but maybe someone can find this helpful.
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Realized I'm missing a couple parts for the full reassembly so I ordered those last night, hopefully they'll be in sometime next week. This AM I swapped out the tstat from the 170F unit to a 160F unit, mainly for cyls 5 and 6 since I'm not running the head cooling bypass.
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Had a few mins today and started the reassembly process. I figured I'd take lots of pics this time, in the event I have some other failure in the future the forensics will be easier. I started by installing the key for the timing worm gear which ended up turning into a fishing expedition after I dropped the key into the pan. I got it out with my borescope, some safety wire, and a magnet. I then hit the bottom of the key with some loctite super glue to hold it in place, and slotted in the timing worm gear.
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This AM has been crazy busy but I managed to make a quick stop by my machinists shop between errands and get the new crank bolt machined down 2 tenths of an inch just in case. I don't suspect any bottoming issues with the length of the original bolt but this will give me peace of mind.
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The crank damper cured out overnight, I brought it indoors as it's been pouring rain. Some imperfections in the paintwork as it was windy and cold, in the low 60s when I painted it but overall I can't complain as it'll be protected from rust. This AM I'm going to double check the thread engagement of the damper bolt and finish reassembly prep.
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It is supposed to rain here for a few days and temps are going to start dropping into the 50s during the day. Since I don't like to spray anything with a catalyst indoors unless I absolutely need to I sprayed in the damper in clear over lunch today. It should be cured out and ready for assembly within a day or so but I'll give it a few days as the weather is cooling quickly.
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Took a quick look this AM of how I want to mount the AC condenser. I figured since I have the rad out, it wouldn't be a bad time to fabricate some more bracketry. The tightest areas are by the fittings on the DS, but I had mocked it all up prior in the build so I know it will fit along with the lines. I need to take a look at my scrap AL pile and see what I can make work. I have some random pieces I think I can tig into something that will look decent and work well.
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Been really busy this past week but I now have all the seals I need to put everything back together, along with some extra parts for some non-turbo related aspects of the car I've been putting off. My engine builder called me again today to check in and after thinking about what I was seeing and tuning around like loss of power on some pulls, spitting fire out the exhaust on quick on/off boost transitions, and losing the alternator bolt were all likely related to the crank damper walking off and losing timing as the distributor worm gear was moving around. Either way I'm thankful for all of the support I've been receiving on this. A lot of other projects in play at this point, but for the turbo build the plan is to shoot the new damper in clear this weekend and start reassembling. Since I need to get the Z out of the garage and other builds in, I'm starting back on 1 thing per day until the car is rebuilt starting with sweeping up the garage tonight.
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Out of time this weekend, but my buddy dropped off the 2.5 needle and seats yesterday. The OERs come with 1.8 needle and seats. WOT full boost 2nd-4th gear redline pulls I was running the float bowls out of fuel shifting into 4th. I think this sizing is what the monster/race NA guys run so hopefully with the 20-30psi of fuel pressure I see under boost and high volume EFI pump this issue is resolved.
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A lot going on lately but I did manage to check the runout on the crank snout. It's around 0.001" so I feel good about cleaning things up and getting the damper on. It's difficult to get a good measurement so there's some error in there but I was mostly checking to ensure nothing is massive bent and I'm not even sure if there is a factory spec for this. I need to call Rebello next week and verify a couple of items, mainly the interference fit between the new damper and crank. Edit: turning the engine over by hand, the runout is <0.0005". So I think the last major thing to check is the interference fit. 20221030_133359.mp4
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The majority of parts have actually already arrived for the rebuild. I was expecting to wait months, not days. I'm really glad my engine builder reached out to me, I can't thank them enough for all the support. I've been really busy with other projects and life but I think I can get it all back together with a day or so since at this point it's just a trans pull and pulley install. Just need to find a good window in the coming weeks to get it all done. It'll give my machinist some more time to do the pin work on the dist drive, and hopefully I can get the new crank pulley coated before it gets too cold as well.
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This PM I cleaned up my space and moved the Z over to make room for other projects. I prefer to work on one project at a time but every few years with life changing events I tend to cycle through my fleet anyways so it's probably that time again. I have some buyers already lined up for other vehicles I've been holding onto and wanted to keep but I need to recycle the funds to get my wife into a newer safer car. I plan to keep the Z. My last update for a while until I get through this rough life patch and all of the parts I need in.
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Now that time is of the essence I completed the teardown. The worm gear looks like a racing bronze unit. There is some light damage but perhaps it is serviceable. I'll need to ask my builder and see. I've seen worse, my last L had both a cracked distributor drive and chipped worm gear. Since I have it all apart I was thinking of having my machinist locally pin a new OE driveshaft spindle. Oil pump looked fine as well, no shavings or junk I could see. Not sure if I need to disassemble further. This PM I need to get the Z partially reassembled and moved over in the garage to start working on some other vehicles.
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Started working on the Z this AM and my wife called letting me know she jumped a curb and blew out the tires on my daily. Fortunately she's ok but my car has seen better days. I think the strategy will be to move the Z over and order parts. Pull my Porsche in to get it sorted and back on daily duty. Wherever parts come in, slam the Z back together and put it back on daily driver duty like I've been using it for this past few months. Give the wife the Porsche to drive and pull in the daily to fix. The joys of having multiple vehicles in multiple stages of de/reconstruction...man I just can't catch a break
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This AM I spent a few minutes ordering seals for reassembly and generally cleaning up the area. Today is really busy for me but later tonight I'll wrap up the disassemby by dropping out the oil pump and removing the drive gears. Tomorrow I'll grab the mitutoyo and mic the crank snout so I'll have the dimensions for whatever new pulley I'll need to have honed for a good interference fit. At some point if I can fit it into the schedule I'd like to get a dial indicator from Harbor Freight or somewhere and check for runout at the crank snout. The longest lead time item will likely be the crank pulley itself but we'll see on Monday.
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So one thing I was thinking about is the flame on on/off boost out the exhaust I was attempting to resolve. I wonder if my damper was getting loose for a while and my timing was retarding when letting off causing the fireball out the exhaust. Lots to think about, but whe I get this thing going again I need to get a cell phone mount in the car so I can watch the timing. Edit: and also a couple weeks ago when I lost an alternator tensioner bolt. I wonder if it was all related.
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Got distracted but at least the yardwork and a bunch of cleaning got done. Started back in on where I left off this PM, got everything torn down. Good news is the crank snout seems in ok shape. The surface is relatively smooth, not many scratches that even catch a nail. I think it must have some heat treatment for surface hardening. The keyway looks ok as well. Distributor gear and drive looks good but I'm planning to drop the pump and inspect everything closer tomorrow. Bad news is the crank pulley looks to be trashed. I'm guessing the squealing and grinding was likely the crank pulley spinning on the crank snout and wallowing out after the woodruff key fully dropped out. I'm planning to call my engine builder on Monday and assess. I think during the height of the pandemic I waited like 6 months or longer just for the BHJ dual row damper. Oh well, need to keep moving forward.
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Had an hr or 2 open up this afternoon so I started back in on the teardown. Inspecting the oil drain pan, I found one of the crankshaft woodruff keys. I seem to recall there are 2. It doesn't look beat up which I guess is good, and it drained out so I won't need to go on a magnet fishing expedition. I'm going to try to get everything at least torn down this evening.
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So my engine builder Dave Rebello reached out to me this AM and let me know for high performance L engines, the factory torque specs are not adequate. I'm probably putting out somewhere around 300whp at 10psi of boost and want to turn it up. I torqued both the crank pulley and flywheel bolts to factory torque specs and used loctite on both. Apparently I need to torque the crank pulley bolt to 150-155ft lbs, flywheel bolts to 120 and cam bolt to 120+. I trust my engine builder so I may need to drop the trans after again all and go through all of that.
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Got the charge piping out easily co sidering how tight the packaging is. I'm glad I considered serviceability when setting up the runs. No oil in the pipes which is good but I noticed the PS side pipe was rubbing on the core support. I think I'll run a tig bead over that area and reposition the pipe. Unfortunately my coolant bucket is full. Where I live I used to be able to recycle coolant at my local Jiffy lube. Now apparently the county requires me to go to a recycling center which is a city or two over and only open during specific times. Great.
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This AM the objective is to get the charge piping and rad out of the car so there's a straight shot to the crank pulley. I'm impressed how much dust the silicone couplers have picked up over a couple thousand miles. Fortunately my wife has been out of the house every morning at 5:30 AM so I have a bit more time in the AM to get things done.
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Inspected the undercarriage a bit more before calling it a night. I've always wanted a drill press so I think I'll buy one this weekend and order an aircraft safety wire drill jig. I'd like to drill and safety wire all of the suspension and driveline hardware. I've been keeping this thread mainly focused on the aspects affecting turbo componentry and tuning but there were a lot of other sidebar projects I didn't document this year to turn the shell back into a driver.