SH4DY Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Any of you guys have issues with the radiator overcooling? I'm running the Champion radiator with a drilled (4 small holes the size of the jiggle pin hole) 180 degree stat and FAL Hurricane fan. During the summer it would get to 205-210 if sitting in traffic and ambient temps were 85+: not ideal but I could live with it because as soon as you get going over 30mph the temps go down to 175 and hold. The problem now is that the ambient temps are getting in the lower 60's at night and while cruising, the coolant temps are getting down to 140-150 unless I close the valve to the heater core. Anybody else have this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Z-LS3 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 Have tried a hotter thermostat? Are you using a fan shroud? Let's see a pic of your setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calZ Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Why do you have holes drilled in the thermostat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH4DY Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, calZ said: Why do you have holes drilled in the thermostat? Standard practice for the last few LS swaps I've done to help maximize cooling with less than ideal radiator setups. When not using a heater core (more full race oriented), the absence of the additional coolant volume becomes apparent pretty quickly at low speeds. Drilling holes is the step between a stock t-stat or just running a disc to slightly restrict the flow. This setup has an unshrouded fan. 5/8" coolant hoses to a Vintage Air heater/defrost unit. Originally I just had the t-stat housing looped but adding the heater core dropped coolant temps 10-15 degrees when sitting in traffic (blower motor off). Inside the car is a sauna, but the motor is happier. Edited October 2, 2020 by SH4DY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Z-LS3 Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 I think the reason for running hot in traffic is the lack of fan shround, air is not being pulled through a large portion of radiator. Then while moving temps go down indicating rad has good air flow. Get a C7 Corvette fan assembly, that maybe the easiest solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) SBC 350 carbed 240z Arizona Z Car aluminum radiator + shroud + 3000 cfm Volvo fan + 185 Degrees On/170 off thermal switch + 70 amp fan relay + no thermostat = 185 deg indicated temperature during long idles in California central valley heat (100 to 110 deg). Volvo fan is two speed, but is wired to run on high speed at all times. Other: high volume water pump Works. 185 deg all day Edited October 2, 2020 by Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH4DY Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 You guys are missing what I'm saying - the cooling system is cooling too well. It's getting too cold. I'm not worried about the temps during stop and go traffic - I'm more concerned about the coolant temps not getting above 150 on a cool night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calZ Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 No, they understand. They're trying to solve the actual problem rather than the one you've created. The only way you can make your car cool less is to reduce cooling capacity. So you can put in a smaller radiator that won't keep up when it's warm, or you can put in a thermostat that works like it's supposed to when it's cold and then work to make sure the engine stays cool when it's hot out. If your problem is that the engine doesn't start cooling itself at a low enough temp, then put a lower temp thermostat in so it opens earlier. That's essentially what you've done with the holes, except there's no off switch for holes. Or, leave it at a stock temp thermostat and either upgrade your radiator or do better with fans/ducting to increase your airflow. Is 210 even too hot? I've never done an LS swap, but everything I've seen/read says that stock ECUs don't even turn the fan on until well over 200. 210 in a worst case scenario sounds perfectly within the stock specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Too cold? Remove thermostat and install a flow restrictor. Try Moroso flow restrictor. Start with the mid size (blue) restrictor. Install a thermal switch that turns on fan at a higher temperature. Or turn your fan off with a switch. With the components I listed in my earlier post, once my engine temp a reaches steady state of 185 deg (center of temp gauge) on cold 65 deg days or hot 110 deg days the needle just stays dead center. You just need to tweak things a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 12:45 PM, SH4DY said: You guys are missing what I'm saying - the cooling system is cooling too well. It's getting too cold. I'm not worried about the temps during stop and go traffic - I'm more concerned about the coolant temps not getting above 150 on a cool night. ummmmm why not run a PWM brushless fan and adjust accordingly... Running to cold, reduce the fan speed. to hot, increase the fan speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH4DY Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 hours ago, DonH said: ummmmm why not run a PWM brushless fan and adjust accordingly... Running to cold, reduce the fan speed. to hot, increase the fan speed. Fan is off and it's that cold. Has nothing to do with the fan. Stopping the coolant from flowing through the heater core via the heater controls seems to keep it in the 160-170 range which I'm OK with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, SH4DY said: Fan is off and it's that cold. Has nothing to do with the fan. Stopping the coolant from flowing through the heater core via the heater controls seems to keep it in the 160-170 range which I'm OK with. This is interesting. Please remove the thermostat, take the car for a drive and report back what the temperature is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Z-LS3 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Modern engines are designed to run at higher temps. The piston to bore and bearing clearances to machined for an anticipated temperature range and resulting degree of expansion as the metal warms up. From what I understand accelerated engine wear can occur from constantly running the motor too cold. Something to think about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mileski Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Use a standard thermostat (no holes drilled in it) and try it. It has to run at the same or higher temperature than the thermostat rating (assuming that the temperature rating of the thermostat is accurate). Marlan Davis recommended a 160 degree high-flow thermostat (Summitt Racing part no. SUM-365-160) to me in the article they did relating to a question I sent in to Hot Rod Magazine on a cooling issue with my car. See the article at the link below. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/stop-hot-day-overheating-on-500hp-ls-engine/ Mike Mileski Tucson, AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwine automotive Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I'm using a 3 core Champion and Taurus 2 speed fan with only high wired to a Dodge minivan PWM controller, stock thermostat and 4 corner steam vents in the heads, stays at 200 under all conditions. LS engines need flow through the heater hoses or a small bypass in the thermostat, removing the small rivet is enough, hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Z-LS3 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 DonH, what did you use for radiator mount? Seems there are a few ways to mount universal radiators... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 In my LS1 conversion uses stock 1998 Camaro fans and shroud that fit my recored stock Datsun radiator. I have have had no issues with cooling in the 17 years I've been driving the car. You might check out the fan shroud dimensions on the new LS3 Camaro. If it would fit your radiator/engine bay it would be a plug & play with the stock LS3 wiring harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 7:25 AM, 280Z-LS3 said: DonH, what did you use for radiator mount? Seems there are a few ways to mount universal radiators... Hey man, I used some 2" aluminum to mount it to the top and bottom portions of the radiator.... i would have like to weld side mounts to use the stock holes but I dont own a TIG welder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoFrank Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 A questions for Mike Mileski, did the advice of Marlan Davis at Hot Rod Magazine cure your low-speed overheating issues? I ask because I had a 350 Chevy powered 1970 240Z back in the day. It always ran hot as well. My biggest issue was fuel percolation in the carb float bowls. I have toyed with the idea of making a second V8 Z with an LS3, thinking fuel injection would do away with the heat issues I have in Denver's cooler weather but thinner air compared to Tucson. Looks like I could end up in the same boat as then if guys like you are having issues with modern radiators and engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mileski Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I ended up selling the car that was featured in that article. It never really overheated but I knew the potential was there if I got stuck in 105+ degree traffic. I finished building my other car, also a 1971, with the exact same engine. I purchased a Wizard radiator (as suggested in the article) with the upgraded core this past summer and now I can just sit stationary in the middle of the summer with the fans on and the temp needle stays steady at about 180 degrees. Pricey, but I am very happy with it. Mike Mileski Tucson, AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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