stony Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 you have to fabricate..bottom line. imsure the whole front end..if not the whole car is basically tube framed.. that how we are doing it.. and thats how those guys in japan did it. you can set the motor wherever you want. we are trying to keep it as close to a gtr as possible.. he probably spent a lot more time figuring out how to make his geometries correct. AWD is fun as hell... thats for sure.. but anyway you cut it.. making a awd z is NOT going to just go together.. its going to take a lot of fab work.. in fact i cant see how you can do it at all without atleast tube framing the whole front end. That is not the way the "guys " in japan did it. The "Guys" in japan basically mated the entire subframe from a GTR strut towers and all into a s30 chassis. no tube chassis there, basically spliced it in. there is a website out there showing how they did but im too lazy to find it as once i saw the work involved i really never looked at it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-Z Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 That is not the way the "guys " in japan did it. The "Guys" in japan basically mated the entire subframe from a GTR strut towers and all into a s30 chassis. no tube chassis there, basically spliced it in. there is a website out there showing how they did but im too lazy to find it as once i saw the work involved i really never looked at it again. Thats what I was thinking looking at the Nakamura Z pic. I couldn't tell deffinitely if it was, so I didn't want to say anything. BTW stony hows the car coming along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 wow... that sounds like MORE work than building a tube chassis for it all. Maybe not. Either way it's an insane amount of work for what? Uniqueness? That seems to be about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 not trying to jack this thread but the latest pics from this weekend are in this thread. http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=109476&page=3&highlight=stony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vashonz Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 The front diff should be completely separate from the engine oil. 90wt gear oil vs 10w30 or 20w50 engine oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie05 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 That is not the way the "guys " in japan did it. The "Guys" in japan basically mated the entire subframe from a GTR strut towers and all into a s30 chassis. no tube chassis there, basically spliced it in. there is a website out there showing how they did but im too lazy to find it as once i saw the work involved i really never looked at it again. I wonder what the wheelbase was after that swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoov100 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 somebody should try the subaru AWD swap, or hell even a celica drivetrain swap would be awsome.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TeamNissan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think the celica swap or a gtir swap makes more sense then a subi swap. I think a subi swap will sit the engine too far forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoov100 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 but if you go with their stock flat four, i think ti shouldnt be too bad.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TeamNissan Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Ya but the front trans axle is behind the engine leaving the engine infront of the 240z cross member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 ok, who here as looked much at the subi engine bay? First time I comapred one of the older WRX 2 doors to my ZX side by side I though "hmm... well that'd be way more work than it'd be worth". To me the idea is mad. The flat engines are insanely wide and those cars are designed with super square/wide engine bays, not long/narrow like the Z cars. It might fit in a Z31 though. Should be even easier in a Z32, but there is't much point imo. The subi motors don't have much cheep potential, wich is unfortunate because they're great motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 All this has been gone thru over and over. no real good info here !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clifton Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 All this has been gone thru over and over. no real good info here off to the tool shed you go!!!! As most of the threads on here. Keeps the board going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I have contemplated an AWD Z on and off over the years. Im thinking of aquiring the parts to make it work after I get my DOHC head done. I guess AWD would be a bit of a mis-nomer, 4WD is what it would be. Get one of the seperate transfer cases off of an early 80s 4wd nissan truck (cant remember what years exactly, but soe of them came with a seperate transfer case), then make a custom front crossmember that would include a diff mount and allow the axels to pass through to each front hub. I think youd have to notch the frame rails and re-strengthen the area at the bottom of the strut towers to get some room for suspension travvel and front axels, and the floor pan might be a bit of a hassle to clear the transfer case and driveshaft, but it sounds do-able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbesheer Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Warning noob post. I thought 4WD was different then AWD, and you can't drive fast in 4WD ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 you cant drive fast in 4lo. 4 hi tho is alright for higwhay cruising as far as Im concerned. Ive got a 1989 mazda 323 GTX (for sale if anyone cares) thats 4wd and it drives on the highway just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifton Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Get one of the seperate transfer cases off of an early 80s 4wd nissan truck (cant remember what years exactly, but soe of them came with a seperate transfer case), You need a center diff to keep the drivetrain from binding on pavement. Thos T cases don't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 GTiR with an SR20 would definately be my choice. light weight, good power, revs high too, and AWD. sounds like a good combo to me =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 GTiR with an SR20 would definately be my choice. light weight, good power, revs high too, and AWD. sounds like a good combo to me =) Ok gtir is awd but in a fwd configuration, that is engine is sideways in the engine compartment. without even measuring i d say that setup would be just as hard as the gtr setup. Show me unsubscribed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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