that's the best quote I've ever heard, dave! Skater, I feel your pain, brother. It seems like I get stuck talking to all the useless no-nothings, it does my heart some good to know I'm not the only one. Not that I'm the fountain of all knowledge, but if you don't even own your own car, don't come tell me about ANYTHING that your buddy drives and you think is fast. I'm really not even concerned right now how fast my car is, I just want the stupid thing to run right. My friendly rivalry at work consists of a guy building an Eclipse GST that is shooting for as much as he can get, but he likes to inform me that the block (2.3 stroker or something) made 600+ on the car it came out of, a guy with a 95 Saturn SC2 that has a custom (read: home-built) turbo setup on a megasquirt that dynoed at 330whp [actually, this guy is really cool, and built my MS for me for free], and a guy with a 00 Civic Si with some kind of turbo kit on it who just got his block sleeved and is only waiting for his Hondata standalone to get tuned so he can cruise around in a 500hp daily driver. So when people come in to the dealership and tell me how fast their bone-stock Ion Redlines are, and should they put a wastegate on it to make more HP (keep in mind these cars are superchargerd, not turbo), I just roll my eyes and go hide in the parts cave...where I'm just biding my time reading my JTR manual...