JMortensen Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't think this thing would be legal pretty much anywhere, but it is an interesting idea. The website has vids of Vic Sias's BMW autoxing with this wing on it. http://aeromotions.com/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 That is cool stuff. I would love to see what that would do on a high powered Z car. Say mine. I wonder what it would do for the steer it with the throttle type of driving? I'm looking forward to seeing some data from their tests. There doesn't seem to be any up on the site now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4xwellmurd3r Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 well they ran the wing in SCCA Street Modified 3 and Street Modified 2 (they tossed it on a miata just to do it hah) seems like a really interesting idea, being able to maximize downforce for low speed tight turn's, to high speed turns. (and is the reason why F1 doesn't want them I bet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2126 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I believe, that to get a reasonable effect from this wing, or any wing for that matter, you would need to be going at a pretty good clip......so for most autoxing, I would think the only effect the wing would provide would be mostly visual! What do you guys think? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Large multi-element winds or single element wings at high angles of attack do help at Solo2 speeds. But none of this is new: http://www.nsxfiles.com/otc0_2003_day0.htm 11:30 a.m.We finally arrive at Buttonwillow, about 3 hours later than our planned time. John Coffey is there, and has been waiting since 8:00 a.m. for us to show up. I pull the S2000 out of the trailer with Jason's Active Aero Big Ass Ugly Wing (AABAUW), and Coffey starts ragging on it immediately. He says it looks like something Jethro Clamplet would put on his car. I told him wait until you see the lap times I am gonna throw down with the AABAUW. I show him how we can change the rake of the wing in the cockpit. 20 minutes later, right before we take the car on the track, the 30 amp fuse blows on the AABAUW. We have no more 30 amp fuses. DAMN. Coffey shakes his head, viewing me as being the Owner of Moron Racing. The wing is stuck in the "level" position. Can't test the wing today, so we swap on the stock trunk lid without the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 Large multi-element winds or single element wings at high angles of attack do help at Solo2 speeds. But none of this is new: http://www.nsxfiles.com/otc0_2003_day0.htm Did you watch the video? This is different. It pops up on one side or the other depending on which way you turn, and both sides lower under accel and raise under decel. I have to wonder if having more downforce albeit at the cost of more drag wouldn't be a better way to go, especially when the speeds stay under 80 mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 My post was tongue in cheek. I've seen the movable wing video and its a good idea. They have a lot of work to do to get it past the sanctioning bodies, but I think the time has come for the ban on movable aero devices to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube80z Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I don't think this thing would be legal pretty much anywhere, but it is an interesting idea. The website has vids of Vic Sias's BMW autoxing with this wing on it. That's pretty cool but I'm skeptical it works any better than when set at max downforce for autox. I'd like to see a back to back test showing speed and g traces. I could definitely see this working on road courses. Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube80z Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I believe, that to get a reasonable effect from this wing, or any wing for that matter, you would need to be going at a pretty good clip......so for most autoxing, I would think the only effect the wing would provide would be mostly visual! What do you guys think? Please keep this myth going. We've found that 35 MPH is about the point where you can start to see some aero advantage. At 45 MPH it's clear as day. Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Does anyone think that wing (those wings?) could land you in trouble? I don't like the idea of some independant 'mind' deciding how much downforce on which side to apply at any given moment, it may not be 'thinking' what I am. No, there are better performance enhancement things to claim my paltry budget, will give that one a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudypoochris Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I don't understand how this wing generates MORE down force by lowering itself on the side of the outside wheel. I would think it would generate LESS down force in this case. Can anyone help me to understand this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffer949 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I dont think that it creates more down force but it puts the down force on the corner of the car that needs it. As you go around a corner your weight shifts to the outside corner. If your going around a left hand corner, your weight shifts to the right side of the car so it flattens out the right spoiler and lifts up the left one to help put the down force on the inside of the car to help keep the car flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudypoochris Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I still don't see this as beneficial. I could be wrong though. Why not let the ARB do the ARB's job and then just go for max down force? Why throw away down force that otherwise would cause the outside tire to generate more traction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 I still don't see this as beneficial. I could be wrong though. Why not let the ARB do the ARB's job and then just go for max down force? Why throw away down force that otherwise would cause the outside tire to generate more traction? That's what I'm thinking too. If you're running really stiff springs, and you should if you're going to make a lot of downforce, then there won't be that much roll, so you can have the whole wing working and get twice the downforce that you would from this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffGarcia77 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 So just slap the jumbo whale tale on it and be done with it? Sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 So just slap the jumbo whale tale on it and be done with it? Sounds good to me. I don't think the whale tail is legal for any class of autoxing. Maybe if you ran A Mod, but that'd be a joke. If I recall the Prepared rules say the wing must be within the body lines when viewed from above. Aside from the legality issue, I suspect that there are much more efficient wing shapes for producing downforce, even though the whale tail faired fairly well in the wind tunnel testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexicoker Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 ya, laying down on the outside when in a corner is pretty counterproductive, not to mention the major efficiency loss by splitting the wing in half with no center endplate. they would have better results with a single wing that acts as a function of speed and acceleration, and would have to be darn sure that it wasn't going to lay down in the middle of a corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 "Nothing new under the sun.........." April 1968. Nissan R381 sports car. Split-element, hydraulically-actuated rear 'stabiliser' wing, reactive to speed, cornering forces and braking. Raced. Won. Banned......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 We can go back even further to the Chaparral 2E. http://www.chaparralcars.com/index.php Wish I had enough money for one of the continuation 2es... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 We can go back even further to the Chaparral 2E. Chaparral 2E wing wasn't active though, was it? Thought that was the point in this instance......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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