Dirt88 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 In the middle of replacing original bushings with new poly set.my question is with the rear spindle pin bushings on the a arm it looks like there's an outer sleeve still in the 2 holes does this need to come out or is it part of the a arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Here's what the original bushing looks like - https://zcardepot.com/suspension/rear-suspension/spindle-pin-bushing-oem-240z-260z-280z-70-78.html Many people leave that one alone if it's in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt88 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 Thanks for the pic.mine were shot so I pulled em out just wasn't sure if I should remove that outter shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Some people slip a hacksaw blade through the hole and cut a slot, then bend it in with a chisel and work it out. But a large vise, the proper size socket or similar for pressing, and a torch for expanding will do the job also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt88 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 Cool.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymanbikes Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 If you are using poly, you have to remove it or they won't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 For the mustache bar bushings burn out the old rubber bushing and leave the sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowoctupus Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 For the mustache bar bushings burn out the old rubber bushing and leave the sleeve. Such good advise. I cut my first one out and had to make a steel sleeve to fit it back in. I wish Prothane, etc could include just a little slip of paper for instructions like this in the box. What would it cost them, $0.02? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 9/27/2016 at 4:29 PM, Dirt88 said: In the middle of replacing original bushings with new poly set.my question is with the rear spindle pin bushings on the a arm it looks like there's an outer sleeve still in the 2 holes does this need to come out or is it part of the a arm Thread resurrection. I have the black urethane spindle pin bushing from MSA. The notes on their website say, "The outer metal sleeve of the factory rubber spindle pin bushing is retained for use with this kit. Urethane Spindle Pin Bushings are oversized and will require a press or vice to install. Please call with any questions prior to removing your stock spindle pin bushings." Looking at the size of the bushing compared to the control arm with the outer sleeve in, the bushing seems way too big to even press in. Can someone please confirm how to proceed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannyknot Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Most polyurethane bushings use the outer metal sleeve of the original bushing and slide in with a firm push so maybe you should call to get some answers. Any pics you can show us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Here a some pics. It looks like it's off by the width of the outer sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 https://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/23-4137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, NewZed said: https://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/23-4137 Yep, the quote in my original post is from the MSA page above. My point is that they look WAY oversized if that sleeve is to be retained. I'm doubting the accuracy of this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 You should call them as stated above. They might not know. They sell a lot of parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhm Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 They can change vendors for the same part, and maybe the web description and/or instructions haven't caught up. When I installed PU bushings (ES, IIRC) on the rear LCAs, I had to completely remove the OEM bushings (including that metal sleeve.) Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHoob2004 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I did energy suspension on the whole car (77) and removed the bushings and outer sleeves from every location with the exception of the transmission crossmember, where the bushing shell must be left in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) I spoke with Greg at Motorsport Auto today. They have been using the same vendor for these bushings for many years. Prothane I believe. He assured me that the inner sleeve is to remain in and they will PRESS in even though the bushing looks big. I will give it a try. Stay tuned. Edited August 31, 2020 by adivin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I spoke with Greg at Motorsport Auto today. They have been using the same vendor for these bushings for many years. Prothane I believe. He assured me that the inner sleeve is to remain in and they will PRESS in even though the bushing looks big. I will give it a try. Stay tuned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgsheen Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 On 8/30/2020 at 7:23 PM, adivin said: Yep, the quote in my original post is from the MSA page above. My point is that they look WAY oversized if that sleeve is to be retained. I'm doubting the accuracy of this statement. You should, the original outer metal piece of the stock bushing has to come out to fit either Prothane or Energy poly bushings. I've done several in the shop - it has to come out. I installed Energy poly in my personal 260Z (Goldie) nearly 10 years ago (and, yes, I cut that barrel out - with a sawzall (but, I'm careful) and, I daily drive my car)). Please don't hit that with a hammer anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adivin Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, cgsheen said: You should, the original outer metal piece of the stock bushing has to come out to fit either Prothane or Energy poly bushings. I've done several in the shop - it has to come out. I installed Energy poly in my personal 260Z (Goldie) nearly 10 years ago (and, yes, I cut that barrel out - with a sawzall (but, I'm careful) and, I daily drive my car)). Please don't hit that with a hammer anymore. This conflicting info is a real bummer. I wonder why MSA is saying this? They have used Prothane exclusively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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