kegomatix Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 So I have a 2009 WRX here that I'm contemplating swapping into my 77. Currently the car has a 350 in it. Has anyone tried this before? I want to attempt to move it all over, including AWD. I have everything, motor, trans, wiring harness, all computers axles and anything else I'll need. Would be cool if there's write up if it's been done already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsaz Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Depends how much money you have and what your experience level is. Just recently someone who had first gone about this and even got to mocking up the engine they had sold off their parts. Generally these sorts of projects are the sort that "If you have to ask..." you're probably in over your head. Especially if you're expecting a write up. If you have the know-how, tools, and money though... anything can be done. Watch this entire series before you decide what you want to do. At the very least it's informative and entertaining. They initially thought they'd have the car running in about a year and a half. It's been more than twice that and the car only got back on the ground on it's own wheels in the last episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rturbo 930 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Generally these sorts of projects are the sort that "If you have to ask..." you're probably in over your head. Especially if you're expecting a write up. This. We recently had a thread here about a kid wanting to do the same, but with a Skyline donor. I don't think the non-supportive responses sunk in. Everything in that thread would apply here though, so I'll just link it for you to read through. http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/127705-500whp-awd-rb25det-s2-in-76-280/ Unless the car is very rusty, and the Subaru is wrecked, I think you would most likely end up with two cars that have now been ruined, and are now only worth parts + scrap value. If you had the skills to do this, I doubt you'd have to ask if it's doable. There's a reason why practically no one has done it. Only one I know of (done with a Skyline), done by a guy somewhere in Asia, basically ruined the car since he positioned the engine/ front wheels where they are in the Skyline, which results in the wheels being pushed back maybe half a foot in the Z. Looks bad, probably doesn't handle well. To do it properly would likely mean doing a full tube frame. In the case of the Subaru's flat four, you also need to consider engine width. I think a few here have pondered that swap, and found the engine to be too wide for the engine bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben280 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) There's a thread on here somewhere with somebody a similar subaru engine swap. It is FAR from drop in, FAR from easy, almost 100% custom, and this attempt ended as badly as anybody could expect, with the donor Z rusting to death in a ditch. If you have everything out of the car, and want to embark on a multi year project, I'd love to see you have some success! Project Binky is a great resource for what problems you can expect to encounter. Ken Blocks Hoonicorn build is another great example of trying to jam an AWD driveline into a non AWD car. http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/12/the-hoonicorn-rtr-build-story/ The Fast and Furious guys did a similar treatment with the AWD charger in the most recent film. Also remember that all these examples are being built by PRO shops with a lot of $$$ behind them. They have lots of time, lots of expertise and lots of planning! I'd advocate drawing it up in CAD first, before you ever set torch to steel. Edited August 10, 2017 by Ben280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegomatix Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 Thanks for the info guys. That's the reasonable back to Earth kind of stuff I expected to see here, and it's appreciated. I'm pretty capable, have lots of time and decent know-how. If it has been done before though it's always nice to see any general quick tips or suggestions. I found the one where the car ended up a parts rig, very unfortunate. I would really like to see this done but the list to get it done keeps growing as I'm going through it all on my head haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverdone Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 You're better off swapping that drivetrain in a Karman Ghia or some sort of other VW product. There are actual kits out there for those with a decent amount of info on what to do. https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/d/1969-karmann-ghia-huge-price/6229001736.html That car could REALLY use that WRX drivetrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The block is too wide to sit between the shock tower. The subaru engine usually sits in front in a subaru doing the same in the datsun you end up with the transmission stick sticking up in the engine bay pretty much due to the long engine bay. At that point cutting out the shock towers and grafting in the subaru shock towers and stuff would be the route to go, that requires a lot of alignment, welding, reinforcement. Indeed one of those things where if you have to ask...probably not quite there yet. Granted depending on your purpose/goal/motivation/finances it wouldn't be all that difficult. Stretch or shrink the wheel base as needed, cut the body off the car, cut the datsun unibody off the floor and mate. If it needs to sit wide, flare the wheels, cut the body down the middle and stretch it. Not all that hard if your goal is just a fun, not road legal, frankenstein's monster type deal, there was a guy that did that with an SC400 and a volvo amazon and it turned out really nice. Unless you have a real artists eye, get really lucky with a lot of placement, and such probably not going to be quite aesthetically pleasing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scartail Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 where there is a will, there is a way. just to it. worst that can happen is that you invested a little too much for the education you gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsaz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 You're better off swapping that drivetrain in a Karman Ghia or some sort of other VW product. There are actual kits out there for those with a decent amount of info on what to do. https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/d/1969-karmann-ghia-huge-price/6229001736.html That car could REALLY use that WRX drivetrain. If I was more experienced and had some proper shop space here in Washington I'd be so tempted to do this haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegomatix Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 VW swap would be a blast haha. But again, thanks for the info. I'm the type of guy that WILL get something done, I never leave a project once I've started, unless it isn't feasible. That was my biggest concern, the width of the Subaru motor. If I am to attempt this I think I'll end up finding a different Z to chop up as my current 280 I've had for 12 years and built from the ground up, I'd hate to destroy that one needlessly lol. Thanks everyone, I think I'll look around for something else to drop the Subaru drivetrain into, if not a different Z car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegomatix Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 Also, I was considering maybe a z31? It's been years since I've owned one of them but if I had to guess, it's a bit wider isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Z31 does natively fit a V6 with a turbo. I imagine a Z32 would be even better with the allocation of the twins. I mean I had this thought way back in the day, but found the Subaru engine was about 3 inches into the shock tower an an S30. Given you would probably want at least an inch on each side, probably two if you wanted to take the covers off without having a very generous fender access port (still would have to remove the shocks), you would be looking for the width of a subaru engine + 4 inches relative of course to where the front axles leave the transmission, which I think is where you will find that the Z31 may be too short with the the axles lined up to the front wheels. I would say to take a couple measurements and head off to the junkyard. I have yet to go to one that didn't have a Z31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegomatix Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 All good points, thanks. I have to pick up an engine at the junkyard on Monday anyway so that'll be a good chance to look for one. I'm pretty sure they had one last time I was there. The Subaru 2.5, last time I did a rough measurement, was 31 or 32" I believe. Couldn't get a great measurement between mounting points on the block though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegomatix Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 And in case anyone was wondering why I have this setup ready to throw into something, I have a 2009 WRX that was rear ended and I bought it back from the insurance company. It only has 84,000 miles on it and I have to put in something, and I feel putting it in another Subaru would be boring! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsaz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 And in case anyone was wondering why I have this setup ready to throw into something, I have a 2009 WRX that was rear ended and I bought it back from the insurance company. It only has 84,000 miles on it and I have to put in something, and I feel putting it in another Subaru would be boring! lol Put it in a bugeye wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rturbo 930 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Could do a tube chassis based car, like an ariel atom/exocet/etc. Would be light, and you'd have a clean slate rather than having to retrofit everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ^That is true, I've always wondered about those cars, I imagine the case is they are either taken off the road at that point or more of a don't ask don't tell kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namor Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Too bad the Factory Five 818 is setup to accept parts from an 07 WRX but not 08+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlejester Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Oh that would be killer. Granted I think it is hard to finish that project with less than 30k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSJZ-ZED Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wasted in a Karman Ghia/bug, Subaru is quite a common swap into Porsches, 911/Boxster http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-engine-conversion-tech-forum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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