aarang Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Hey guys, Just an FYI, I've found that most of the diesel oils are going away from putting Zinc and Phosphorous ( ZDDP) in the mix for emissions reasons. If you look at the class on the bottle, "CI-4" is what you want. If you see "CJ -4" or "FJ-4" it does not have the ZDDP to protect our L cams. On another note, after doing some research and contacting STP directly over the phone, the STP four cylinder oil treatment (in the red bottle) has more than the required amount in PPM of ZDDP when mixed with five qts. of oil. It will bring the level of ZDDP at least to where it was back when our engines were new. So using any oil and putting in one bottle of the STP four cylinder treatment should be enough to prevent excessive cam wear. Hope that is helpfull! Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Hey guys, Just an FYI, I've found that most of the diesel oils are going away from putting Zinc and Phosphorous ( ZDDP) in the mix for emissions reasons.If you look at the class on the bottle, "CI-4" is what you want. If you see "CJ -4" or "FJ-4" it does not have the ZDDP to protect our L cams. On another note, after doing some research and contacting STP directly over the phone, the STP four cylinder oil treatment (in the red bottle) has more than the required amount in PPM of ZDDP when mixed with five qts. of oil. It will bring the level of ZDDP at least to where it was back when our engines were new. So using any oil and putting in one bottle of the STP four cylinder treatment should be enough to prevent excessive cam wear. Hope that is helpfull! Aaron That is helpful - thanks! Finally, a compelling reason to use STP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennysgreen280zt Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 My dad and some of his friends were chatting about this over dinner last weekend at the track. Apperently Ivey engines in portland is having thier own oil mixed now, and its pretty reasonable @ $22 a gallon. They all have formula fords, which are solid tappet engines. I was thinking about it, realizing the Z and my DD diesel are both solid lifter/tappet as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_racer1999 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 great info... i was reading somewhere around that the valvoline racing oil has ZDDP in it, can't remember where i saw it, but it was Z related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X64v Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 This is the thread you all are probably thinking of: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=108608 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Valvoline racing oil has something like twice the normal % of ZDDP in it, I bought a couple of cases of their synthetic stuff at NAPA. It's only a few cents more expensive than Royal Purple synthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose52 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 This was also covered at Datsun Garage here (scroll down to the oil section): http://datsunzgarage.com/rebuild/index.htm It'll be Valvoline Racing for my next oil change. It's Back to the Future - Valvoline Racing was my oil of choice 35 years ago when I first bought the car ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Why do I hear John Belushi's haunting recital 'Wolf's Head Premium, I've always used Wolf's Head Premium Oil in her!' after reading that reminisce! LOL Interesting Additive Information. I know a lot of the Engineers were scared about centrifuging out the additive package when I installed oil cleaning turbines at the plant I ran in Brea. It was unfounded. We actually had pretty good luck with additive packages to supplement the base stock of oils when our fuel stock went acidic, and our TAN for the weekly oil analysis would drop below 4 in less than 1000 hours of run time! No choice: Batch Additive, or etch the bearings until we could get our original oil back into the engines (Mobil Blackstar). I don't even think Blackstar is available any longer, I think it was supersceded by the Pegasus line of Diesel Lubricants...or Delvac. Pegasus sucked compared to Blackstar...that stuff was awesome! Then again, it was 14-17 Years ago, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 No choice: Batch Additive, or etch the bearings until we could get our original oil back into the engines (Mobil Blackstar). I don't even think Blackstar is available any longer, I think it was supersceded by the Pegasus line of Diesel Lubricants...or Delvac. Pegasus sucked compared to Blackstar...that stuff was awesome! Then again, it was 14-17 Years ago, eh? Blackstar - I want some of that, just because it sounds ominous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbesheer Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Okay I bought the red 4 cyl bottle. But I also noticed that the blue bottle of STP says it has ZDDP too and isn't "formulated" for 4 cyls if that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4xwellmurd3r Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 interesting. I suppose for my next oil change (next week when i get more cash) i'm buyin up some Valvoline racing oil how many quarts does the 2.8 hold? I just got the car so i'm not positive on all these yet ^^ I think I should also buy a bottle of seafoam and run it through all the car (tank, intake, case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt K Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Royal Purple still meets all the code requirements for solid lifter cars. That's what I use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarang Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share Posted September 19, 2007 Ya, all the specialty oils such as Redline, Royal Purple, etc. still have the additives. Strangely from the info I have gathered, Amsoil does not. Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardkid280z Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 What is the cheapest oil (and easily available) with sufficient Zinc ppm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayolives Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I contacted Red Line about the "Zinc" sublect and the responded as follows. --------------------------------------------------- Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the Race Oils have very high levels of zinc, 2400 ppm and more importantly phosphorus 2500 ppm. The Race Oils don't have the detergents and other additives needed for street use and reasonable drain periods. For performance engines used on the street or combination track and street use the street motor oils would be recommended. The zinc level in the street oil is 1230 ppm and the phosphorus is 1100 ppm, sufficient for good flat tappet cam protection, plus containing a complete detergent additive package for an extended drain interval. The phosphorus and sulphur are the additives that provide the anti-wear protection for highly loaded flat tappet camshafts rather than the zinc. Regards, Dave Red Line Oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cable Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 On another note, after doing some research and contacting STP directly over the phone, the STP four cylinder oil treatment (in the red bottle) has more than the required amount in PPM of ZDDP when mixed with five qts. of oil. Did you happen to ask about the blue bottle STP "Oil Treatment"? I have often wondered about the levels of ZDDP in them. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardkid280z Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 It looks like I'll be using Joe Gibbs Racing Oil XP4 (equivalent to 15W50) (since that's what we sell at Lindsey Racing). Anyone have a suggestion on an additive that will have some good anti-sludge detergents? It sounds like the Joe Gibbs stuff will have the zinc, phosphorous and sulfur additives taken care of, but lacks any detergents since it is a race oil. Does that Lucas Oil Additive have detergents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 The ZDDP, zinc dialkyl dithiosphosphate has been cut down in ppm in modern oils. Any engine that has a flat tappet cam requires ZDDP in high ppm in the oil. These new oils are formulated for the new generation roller cams. If you look at the class on the bottle of motor oil, "CI-4" is what you want. If you see "CI-4PLUS", "CJ -4" or "FJ-4" it does not have the ZDDP in the proper ppm to protect our flat tappet engines, especially the cam shaft. The STP four cylinder oil treatment and CD2 High Perf Oil Boost (both in the red bottle) have more than the required amount in PPM of ZDDP when mixed with five qts. of oil. It will bring the level of ZDDP at least to where it was back when our engines were new. So using any oil and putting in one bottle of the STP four cylinder treatment or CD2 High Perf Oil Boost should be enough to prevent excessive cam wear. The STP in the blue bottle has less ppm ZDDP than the red bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayolives Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I emailed STP and received the following "vague" information concerning the level of ZDDP in their add additives. "They are safe to use with all oils. The viscosity rating of the blue bottle is twice as high is the rating in the red bottle. Both products have a ZDDP level that is four times the amount of what used to be in the motor oil". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarang Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Thats why I call and talk to people at these companies. Email never seems to get the answers to my questions! Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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