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HybridZ Is Not Automotive 101

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logr    10

I thought it was only me not being able to find things here. Glad to see it isn't. Those search tips are nice. Not all of us grew up in the internet era and still learn things by the seat of our pants.

 

I see Johns point. I just skip the posts I don't care about while the moderators need to read every one. It could get old.

 

Realistically, how many completely new things are there on a 40 year old car though. It is more about what is interesting and cool. The same old basic stuff gets very repetitive.

 

Don't know about an Automotive 101 here. Seems to me, this site is not about that. Let that be in wiki or ....

 

This is the place to go to for the advanced and wild in the Z world. Let it be.

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_Donovan_    12

I think this is all getting blown out of proportion. I agree with JohnC on some things though. When you see a new post that is something stupid simple and is fully explained in the service manual it is frustrating. And I don't mean frustrating that there are already posts like it but if the person asking the question couldn't figure out how to navigate the manual then what will happen when you actually do give them good advice or insight, will it actually be followed. You know that friend that has a bf/gf that is cheating and you tell them to leave that person and next week it is the same conversation, that is how I believe some people feel like here. That they are just wasting time answering questions that are beat to death or is found in a manual. Or if you look in the forum that the question is posted that there is a similar post a few threads down.

 

The next thing, the search function. I used to hate the search function on here as well, then I realized that I was just using it wrong. I will tell you how I use it now and how it works for me, maybe it can help some or maybe not, who knows.

 

I never just type in something in the search button at the top of the page, I go to the advanced search. For example if I want to search about RB26 swaps, I would go to advanced, then check "search titles only," then go down to the forum that I want to search in. For this I would search the forums that I feel the information would be in. I would choose something like "members projects," and do the search. Then I would open up the topics I think will be useful, Then I would do the same on the "Nissan 6 cyl" forums, an so on. I really narrow my field sometimes to make sure I find the topics that I feel will be relevant and it was worked out soooo well for me lately. I hope it will help you all as well, if not then yeah, Google that chit.

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Wedge    12

Everyone I refer to this forum I tell them all the same thing do go their asking stupid questions because you're going to get burned. Search and search with google then read the faq and then ask your question. I red for almost a year before I registered and started posting. I just guess the saying there is no stupid questions is not always true here. You will never get rid of the stupid questions but if every time someone asking a stupid question gets burned its the way to go just tell them this question has been answered and search its not long to write and if they don't understand then toolshed he thread. More stickys as mentionned above would greatly improve is their a way to force new members to go through faqs?

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Criderh    0

There has been a post on everything you would want or need to know about your datsun you insignifigant little question askers. Unless you are asking what the meaning of life is, or how the universe was started, use the search bar or I will smite you at your moment of vulnerability, and make you feel like the miserable worm you are.

I asked a few dumb questions throughout my years trying to better my z, and am VERY THANKFUL to the kind people were patient and posted the search bar, and told me welcome to the community. Who knows, being cast out from an internet forum site, that I was trying to gain knowledge from, may have snuffed my dwindling efforts to reach my goals.

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kaito    2

There has been a post on everything you would want or need to know about your datsun you insignifigant little question askers. Unless you are asking what the meaning of life is, or how the universe was started, use the search bar or I will smite you at your moment of vulnerability, and make you feel like the miserable worm you are.

I asked a few dumb questions throughout my years trying to better my z, and am VERY THANKFUL to the kind people were patient and posted the search bar, and told me welcome to the community. Who knows, being cast out from an internet forum site, that I was trying to gain knowledge from, may have snuffed my dwindling efforts to reach my goals.

 

Of course this comment comes from wichita. lol I grew up in Ark city, I didnt even know people played with datsuns in kansas.

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Mikelly    115

I commend JohnC for trying to keep HybridZ on the straight and narrow. It's hard to meet the needs of every skillset on the internet, especially through text. This problem isn't unique to this board and people will have varying levels of success in data mining. I agree the current search tool embedded in the site isn't as useful as it once was, but the google interface works pretty darned well. You just have to continue to manipulate your search terms. And the reality is that sometimes the answer just isn't out there. Sometimes...

 

Mike

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Ok, I'm not sure how this forum is setup on a technical level, but what would it take to have a technical section directly linked to Hybridz like they have over at the Rangerstaion? I think the stickies/FAQ sections are a good place to start, but you still end up weeding through arguments, and a lot of 'wordy' discussion, even on the posts that are specifically built to be a "This is what I did, how I did it and the parts I used" type of post. I still refer to the Rangerstation's tech page as it's got lots of great info compiled into one easy to use page. (Kind of like AtlanticZ)

 

Is something like that even a possibility on this site, or is it just setup too differently?

 

I think a tech section could kill 50% of the posts "I have no spark" etc bologna that frustrates lots of people here. The other 50%...well I guess we could refer them to the tech section and lop off one of their hands or something.

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Mikelly    115

We have tech sections. The problem is you have a number of "experts" with "strong opinions" and a lot of folks who are well intended. Short of pruning the respective threads per topic, per category, I don't know how you would clean it up. Remember, this is a NOT for profit site and the staff are all volunteers.

 

Mike

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Chaparral2f    2

I'm with John. The FSM is the best way to go, but it can be kind of pricey, especially if you need more than one. (In my case: Nissan, Jaguar XJ6 and XJ12, and Chevy Cobalt) That being said, I believe questions easily answered from even a Haynes manual aren't really worth asking again and again. At least grab a wrench and don't ask until you are sure you can't fix your problem on your own.

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Gollum    23

I agree with all JohnC had to say, and tend to agree with the old farts around here. That said:

 

I find it CRAZY how poorly most people around my age (25 currently) can't find useful info. I've worked as a freelance computer/network repairman since I was 15 and if there's ONE thing I've learned, it's that in this day in age, all the information possible is available at your finger tips. This should lead one to conclude that the best worker isn't one who can remember the most information to pass a test, but the one that can best find information and put it to use. I'm paid $100 when I walk into a business to fix a computer problem not because I know everything, but because I know how to find everything, and how to apply that found knowledge.

 

All the same principles apply here at hybridz. It's never about knowing enough to fit in, it's about knowing how to find information to learn to see things the way the experts do. My goal in life isn't to understand every detail of everything, but to know how to find the applicable details of what I need at the moment.

 

Luckily I have a decent memory and CAN do quite a lot of different things without references all the time. I'm a jack of all trades guy. My mother in law actually said just a few weeks ago after finding out I had a photography gig "Is there anything you don't do?" This isn't because I'm a genius, I'm not. It's because I know how to find people of high caliber and LISTEN and PAY ATTENTION. And that's what I've been doing here since I was 14. Reading!!!! I lurked for over a year before a became a member and I wish more young people would do the same.

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Heroez    1

Its an ongoing battle, what is acceptable and what isn't. Unfortunately it's never just black and white. I think there is a bad combination of lazy people asking to be spoon fed, and elitists that get their rocks off by standing on the backs of others. Thankfully most here don't fall into either side and we can share and learn from each other. I'm here to learn, and help others when I am able. The majority of people I see here are like that. We also have very knowledgeable people that enjoy helping others, and members here have unselfishly went far beyond any expectations to help me. Some people just offered moral support, and it was just as helpful as technical info at times to have that human element. So while you are thinking about what you dislike on here, take an equal amount of time to think of the things you do like. Do not become unbalanced in your thinking. Imbalance leads to sickness.

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RebekahsZ    106

Hey guys, will 22X16 wheels with a +93 offset fit inside stock 260zx fenders without rubbing? And, what's the best coilover kit to really slam my car (I don't really car if the car is driveable, I just want it to look really cool)? Show pictures and be really specific. Trick or treat! :D

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sparrow6190    0

FSM Pricey? Ha, just go download your year FSM at xenons30 s30 resource page for free, they pretty much are only missing 70 and 71. If more people would at least LOOK at it and TRY to understand it they wouldn't have to come here and piss off everyone to the point they don't even feel like or have a chance to help people with REAL problems and technical questions...

 

There are always going to be people asking stupid questions and getting yelled at by old hags, and there are always going to be people asking "acceptable" questions and getting yelled at by old hags.

 

One day.... maybe one day.... every classic Z owner will have downloaded an FSM, and learned to read for themselves.

 

This is only my third post on this forum even though I've been here for years, because I know how forums work, and yeah I know how forums work lol. Virtually 100% of the time when there is a dumb question asked someone has already screamed at them for me lol.

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RebekahsZ    106

My favorite silly post lately has been replies to classifieds: "I buy that part in a heartbeat, if I had the money." Huh?? These are the same folks who voted in the current President (his name must go un-spoken): "I'd like to

get paid, but I don't want to get off my butt and go to work." I mean, isn't it

implied that those responding to a classified should have the money to buy the listed part or service? I should start a thread called "HybridZ is not Reality 101." Most of the guys I'm dealing with, however, are straight up.

I'd much rather deal with somebody on this forum than with ebay, and very, very lastly craigslist. We really have a good community here - thanks Admins!

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logr    10

Hey guys, will 22X16 wheels with a +93 offset fit inside stock 260zx fenders without rubbing? And, what's the best coilover kit to really slam my car (I don't really car if the car is driveable, I just want it to look really cool)? Show pictures and be really specific. Trick or treat! :D

 

It depends, what color is your truck? :P

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I will neg myself for asking those type of dumb questions in the past I'm just glad I know a lot more now because of this forum I can see it does get annoying to answer the same questions over and over and admins always have delete the post or put it in its proper place. All I will say is that as long as this forum is up it will keep happening, i'm also on another forum like community.ratsun.net and I see far worse spam, people trying to bring up political, life issues etc. There has been a rise of spam post that have nothing to do with the site just scam artist doing there regular scams tricks.

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jnewby    10

I think new members should have to write a short essay, about themsleves, background and mechical knowledege. Before being allowed to start a new topic, It would be an application. hybridz is open for everyone to search, but only those who have something to contribute could post. I heard of an mustang fourm that does this.

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Mikelly    115

That assumes they will be honest.

 

Then again, some jackarses forget that some of us travel, and actually try to MEET other members... I've called more than one out on BS they've posted on boards here and elsewhere. It's amazing how face to face people turn into "less" confident and "less" skilled. Real like. Ain't it a byatch!

 

Mike

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RebekahsZ    106

I kind of like jnewby's idea. Kind of like a resume' forum for members, so you can research somebody before you make an ass of yourself. I've met some really cool folks on this forum and look forward to as many face-to-face meetings as I can. The first hybridz member that I ever met was Terry Oxendale (Blue Oval Z) when I was in medical school - I just happened to see his garage door open when I was driving around after class one day. And the rest is history! I've had some super phone conversations with folks who helped me understand some problem in my LS swap or my diff/axle upgrades. We've got a lot of really cool members who have some amazing fabrication skills and some pretty impressive engineering credentials. I think the toughest part of being a car enthusiast is learning your limits and figuring out where you fit in. For example, I can't expect johnc, Mikelly or CobraMatt to put up with me much because I'm a hobbyist just having fun and they are in the real-deal high-end road race set. However, they have been super nice sharing info and experience. The super high horsepower drag set is equally entitiled to get annoyed with me because I have a limit to how much power mods I want to do, but guys like jnjdragracing, and 1QUICKZ have been super cool. Similarly, I have a hard time putting up with the low-rider set, because I have more of a performance bent where my z-car is concerned. On a custom forum, I'm all about lowriders, and on a hot rod forum I'm all about highboys and chopped coupes. Once you understand yourself and the people around you, you kind of know where you fit in. I want to help other folks, but I don't reply to posts that I don't actually know something about (after 20 years with one z-car) or have some first hand experience with-no reason for folks to keep making the same mistakes. I still have tons to learn. Like how to be brief.

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The cranky old dipshits had to learn the hard way before the internet was invented.Knowledge was gained by by hard work and sacrafice-probably by doing **** jobs as an apprentice for another cranky old dipshit.The video game generation wants to be spoon fed thier free info.

Well its a sign of the times. That's like saying you prefer to have your speedometer set via resistors rather than having a fancy self-calibrating one. While I understand and respect the "ITS NOT FAIR, 'CAUSE IN MY DAY," argument I think we should all be MORE humbled by the fact that we have encyclopedias at our fingertips. No longer do you have to break your back, proverbially of course. Edited by MazerRackham

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jnewby    10

The goal wouldn't be to turn people away from the forum. It would be to prevent members from starting wars, and new members from asking already covered questions. I don't think anyone would want to re-write an essay, and by essay I mean 1 paragraph. It would also eliminate any spammers. admission wouldn't be granted on anything but, Can this member use some what proper grammar? The prospective member that cant make the effort to try to type a paragraph using some what proper format, should not have the right to post on this fourm.

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Holy Moley . Can you imagine having to read and be the 'allmighty' for the forum? What a job that would be! What do you do then with all the members who are here already with bad grammer and little knowledge? In all fairness, it's fun to blow smoke about this stuff, but is any thing like this feasable? I try my best to be responsible and give only well researched answers, etc, but I wouldn't have passed the HybridZ101 admission test back in the day when I first joined. (Second car ever owned, not a mechanic, not a racer, etc....)

 

I think the resume mentioned by RebekahsZ would be interesting, however isn't that what the user's profile is for? I often look at previous posts, threads started, and whatever other information was volunteered in their bio. (However as I just tried to check 'jnewby's profile as an example, the 'About Me' tab gives the following humorously ironic result, "Error: Could not load template 'tabAboutMe' from group 'profile'".)

 

I think new members should have to write a short essay, about themsleves, background and mechical knowledege. Before being allowed to start a new topic, It would be an application. hybridz is open for everyone to search, but only those who have something to contribute could post. I heard of an mustang fourm that does this.

 

Jnewby, which Mustang forum does this? I want to see how it's laid out and see what you have to go through to register. (I have a '65 Mustang and a Mustang engine in my Z, so at least ownership shouldn't be an issue.)

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Miles    32

This topic has become absurd and resembles more of a forum "Chimping Out" than anything else.

 

Go here for example forum Chimp Out: http://njhurst.com/blog/01176515519

 

The administrators are doing a fine job of filtering out the BS questions.

 

Most people get a clue after their posts go unanswered or sent to the Tool Shed. Some will wise up. Some will self -select out and go to other Z sites more comensurate with their skill level.

 

 

 

Time to lock this thread out.

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