I bought my Lincoln 180 on ebay for less than $450 shipped. You just have to find the right auction at the right time. Most of them are less than $500, though. Using this welder is a joy. I repaired floor pans in my 240 with my friends cheap welder, and it was a real pain in the ass. I thought I had no welding skills, turns out it was just a really crappy welder.