Thanks for the link to the helmet. I am about to order my welder and was looking for a helmet that would not break the bank. I have a buddy who is a proffessional welder. I watched him once until then I thought his natural shade was red (his face) He uses a flip down and when he is just spot welding, he sets up , closes his eyes and turns his head!!! So his face is basically burnt just from the 20 to 30 spot welds a day that he does!!