Twin cam head for the L6 from Derek at Datsunworks

[zboi]

On 9/19/2024 at 4:31 PM, Derek said:

I've sold 22 heads. 

You ever think about liscensing or giving the design out to a real head manufacturer? Its been so many years thay we have gotten to the point that L series engines are disappearing and becoming less and less popular, and you have only sold 22. You haven't actually done anything tangible for the community. Now if a real company made some heads like this for about the $1000 they should cost, then the world would change.

[Derek]

10 minutes ago, zboi said:

You haven't actually done anything tangible for the community

 

I started typing a number of snarky responses and have settled on Wow what a shitty thing to say.

[zboi]

Don't fool yourself man, nobody has this head, it's just a talking point.

[rturbo 930]

3 hours ago, zboi said:

You haven't actually done anything tangible for the community. Now if a real company made some heads like this for about the $1000 they should cost, then the world would change.

That's just about the stupidest thing that has been written on this entire website. 

Edited November 9, 2024 by rturbo 930

[Zetsaz]

3 hours ago, zboi said:

You haven't actually done anything tangible for the community. Now if a real company made some heads like this for about the $1000 they should cost, then the world would change.

 

I thought you were already crazy for bothering to use the vortec efi on an L28, then using exactly none of those savings to spend on something better than a chinese ebay turbo, but this definitely takes the cake.

Good quality LS  heads aren't even under $1000, unless you're getting something totally bare with no springs or valves, and that's a product for the most widely produced engines in existence and required no custom engineering.

 

I don't think you have any idea how much time and money it costs to create something like this for an already very niche market. What you might be thinking of as a "real head manufacturer" would never bother doing something like this head because the market and sales would never justify committing resources to it, and if Derek created licensing for someone to mass produce it now that the hardest part of the work is done he'd probably get paid pennies for the amount of time it took to develop it.

[zboi]

These are not just bare heads, but unmachined heads. And it's just one not a pair. Yes inflation has been ticking up substantially, but not long ago you could get a pair of assembled ls3 heads for $800. Derek came in here to try and stroke himself for a ten year celebration, but let's all be real this cylinder head was made for himself. Dude wants to keep it for himself too.

[1969honda]

9 hours ago, zboi said:

You ever think about liscensing or giving the design out to a real head manufacturer? Its been so many years thay we have gotten to the point that L series engines are disappearing and becoming less and less popular, and you have only sold 22. You haven't actually done anything tangible for the community. Now if a real company made some heads like this for about the $1000 they should cost, then the world would change.

So where is you tangible contribution to the community?

 

I'll respect @Derek and leave my response at that to not further derail his thread.

Edited November 10, 2024 by 1969honda

[calZ]

9 hours ago, zboi said:

These are not just bare heads, but unmachined heads. And it's just one not a pair. Yes inflation has been ticking up substantially, but not long ago you could get a pair of assembled ls3 heads for $800. Derek came in here to try and stroke himself for a ten year celebration, but let's all be real this cylinder head was made for himself. Dude wants to keep it for himself too.

What an absolutely idiotic clown take. You obviously don't understand scale and market and how that affects prices. 

[NewZed]

The internet is a great place to learn.  Learn first, then speak.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economiesofscale.asp

 

Where are those dyno numbers?  If the engine still runs.

 

 

[Derek]

On the plus side this is the most action this thread has had in ages.  

[Zetsaz]

16 hours ago, zboi said:

let's all be real this cylinder head was made for himself. Dude wants to keep it for himself too.

 

Some of the best builds are running his head already. This guy Z Car Garage worked with used to be running an OS Giken head which is more rare and more expensive

 

 

 

"California Hako" is also running it but doesn't post much

 

https://www.instagram.com/california_hako?igsh=MXZzODc4ZmoyNzNlYg==

 

Those are two major ones on high quality builds I can remember off the top of my head

 

The sorts of people who can do this properly and not just let things sit on a shelf for for years aren't posting on the Internet much, and they don't do it for clout like a lot of YouTubers. The reason you don't see many of them is the same reason you don't see the OS Giken heads unless you were really involved or buying print magazines, and even then it's the same handful popping up all the time despite being around for decades longer.

 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Zetsaz

[Brad-ManQ45]

I for one appreciate what Derek has accomplished, and if I had the bucks would buy it, but I really can't see it ever becoming a commodity at commodity pricing.

 

But then, I have an automatic that doesn't like high rpm and am limited by that to 4-500 HP with a turbo - and my stock head works for that.

[madkaw]

It’s been a while since I’ve read on this thread. I wish I was # 23 ! 
Wish the thread did see more action as well as the site . I’m so tired of the FB shit 

[Derek]

7 hours ago, madkaw said:

I’m so tired of the FB shit 

I commented on a post about scammer groups and said that if we were still on forums there would be better control of this. Since there are 9 bazillion S30 groups it hardly got seen and the one comment was "forums are too cumbersome" 

 

I go there because that's where the customers are but I'll be dammed if I'm going to answer stuff that I know for a fact has been documented in detail on one of the three forums.  The answer to every question I see should be "google it"  

[1969honda]

I refuse to join FB groups for that exact reason.  If you really want to learn, do some research, enroll in a community college course, apply yourself. Instead it seems a large majority are expecting everything to be handed to them and then arguing about the information/experience shared. 

[Ben280]

My inability to get involved with FB groups has lead me to instagram for a long time, but I think I'm heading back here for a bit. Generally better discourse and certainly better information. 

 

In line with the thread, I really wish I was #23! When I blew up my Rebello back in 2022 and made the call to go LS, a small part of my brain wishes I had done more math to see what the LS would actually cost to swap in, vs Dereks head. I think it would have been pretty close at the end of the day, and a whole heap of fun. 

 

Thanks for doing what you did, do, and continue to do @Derek!!

[madkaw]

I’ve been making an effort to get back to the forums . I usually post a link to here when people ask about stuff that’s been documented here for decades . My last job as an over the road locomotive engineer gave me lots of time in hotels to document . Now I’m retired and busier than ever - but use that as an excuse to not post . The forums saved me money and time and I’d like to pay it forward ! Now I’m the local Z guru which has made some cool connections and projects . 
I wish there was a better marketplace than FB - but it’s probably the best thing about FB- lol

 

[zboi]

Don't worry PAMS is already testing a real DOHC head on cars and you will actually be able to buy it. I expect prices to be better and unlike this head it will install without a headache and an engineering team.

[Derek]

7 hours ago, zboi said:

Don't worry PAMS is already testing a real DOHC head on cars and you will actually be able to buy it. I expect prices to be better and unlike this head it will install without a headache and an engineering team.

I have two heads in stock as I type this so the head can actually be purchased. I can't help that you can't afford it.

 

7 hours ago, zboi said:

it will install without a headache and an engineering team.

 

That's a feature not a bug. For the very beginning my goal was to provide the components so that talented engine builders could make the decisions on the types of components they wanted to use.

 

7 hours ago, zboi said:

I expect prices to be better

Based on what I've seen and taking the pricing of the relatively simple L6 head as the baseline I highly doubt it.

 

I'm not really sure what I did to put a burr under your saddle but you remind me of the guy that starts a fight in the line to get into the club because he can't afford the cover charge.  Just get out of line and go somewhere else.

[madkaw]

10 hours ago, zboi said:

Don't worry PAMS is already testing a real DOHC head on cars and you will actually be able to buy it. I expect prices to be better and unlike this head it will install without a headache and an engineering team.

You should really just post on FB because they love trolls and useless posting there