My LS3 circuit 280ZX has a 4L85E manually shifted behind it, while it's OK the shifts take a while to get the heavy internals moving, it's overall a heavy transmission and engine braking is poor. Compared with what's available in modern performance cars it's an old tech lump. As soon as I can come up with a practical alternative, possibly a Ford/ZF 6R80, the 85 will be put in a museum. It's a pity that you people are not demanding more from your aftermarket transmissions because it sure as hell suits GM for you to be happy with the old inefficient stuff. Plus it makes it hard for those of us who want something better.