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Had an interesting thought and was curious what others consider to be their dream build.

 

Mine would be:

Early 240z

L28 with Datsunworks twin cam head

ITB's

Hoke CD009 adapter

CD009

TTT rear end conversion

 

Quite a bit different from what I currently have, wonder if others would have gone a different route or stayed the same.

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Building a “dream” ride right now 10+ years and still considered a paper weight. Still staying the same and true to what I wanted to build. 

Fairlady Z early model 

L28 stroker

Sk sport injection ITB 

Type 2 surge tank

Trust exhaust manifold

Big turbo 

just the start of the list but making it into reality is a whole different story. Just another of those Devil Z engine build that everyone wants to build but never does anything. But I’ll drop a teaser pic tire from my instagram 

 

 

 

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I'm one of those odd people that will likely never sell their S30, but I also didn't buy it because it was a dream car. I got into Z cars because they were cheap(er) and were as close to a blank canvas as you can get. Any engine fits, and they're small enough that they generally handle well unless you ruin them.

 

But if you held a gun to my head, I guess my ideal S30 would be some Frankenstein between a BRE 240Z and a Daytona Coupe. Ideally a modern spaceframe like the new FFR models, with tires for days. As fond as I am of the L motor, the Coyote has been my dream of a perfect V8 for 8+ years now, and it's only getting better with each passing iteration.

 

In reality, I'm actually far more likely to build a FFR Daytona than build that S30, mostly because of required time and tool investment. I'm not a chassis designer, and as much fun as that sounds, would likely get to the desired results faster by letting others do the heavy engineering lifting. Though I guess an idea I've had in the back of my mind for 15+ years now, would be to just plop a S30 body onto a FFR chassis... Which seems like a shame, because it's not like the Daytona is ugly. Maybe I'll order TWO kits....

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-Early car (though you know I'm perfectly happy with my early 280)

-Stroker L28, with ITBs, or the Datsunworks head ITBs, or ITB Turbo L series (I'm a music teacher... I care about sound I guess haha)

-Interior basically identical to the tan/brown interior on the MZR Roadsports builds

-Exterior with only subtle mods to help the lackluster aero these cars have

-Incognito paint matched carbon fiber panels. 

-Suspension would really be basically identical to what I have now, but with Apex Engineered parts

-Restored vintage Japanese wheels like SSRs or Epsilon mesh

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* Full chromoly tube chassis (custom designed, verified with extensive finite-elements modeling)

* Unequal A-arm suspension on all four corners, based on some blend between Miata and 5th/6th-gen Corvette (with suitable design and testing)

* Carbon-fiber body panels affixed to tube chassis, after proper wind-tunnel development

* LS7 (Chevy 4th-gen SBC) engine, twin turbo

* TBD gearbox

* Ford 9" differential and center-section, with suitable half-shafts and inboard brakes

* Lexan windshield etc.

* VIN from 1970 Datsun Z welded into firewall

 

In other words, the only Datsun part of the car would be registration as a Datsun.  It wouldn't even attempt to resemble at Datsun in its external lines, let alone internal components.  Why not?  Because there are too many compromises in building a "dream car" from the initial canvas.  It's taken me 20+ years to figure that out.

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8 minutes ago, Michael said:

* Full chromoly tube chassis (custom designed, verified with extensive finite-elements modeling)

* Unequal A-arm suspension on all four corners, based on some blend between Miata and 5th/6th-gen Corvette (with suitable design and testing)

* Carbon-fiber body panels affixed to tube chassis, after proper wind-tunnel development

* LS7 (Chevy 4th-gen SBC) engine, twin turbo

* TBD gearbox

* Ford 9" differential and center-section, with suitable half-shafts and inboard brakes

* Lexan windshield etc.

 * VIN from 1970 Datsun Z welded into firewall

 

In other words, the only Datsun part of the car would be registration as a Datsun.  It wouldn't even attempt to resemble at Datsun in its external lines, let alone internal components.  Why not?  Because there are too many compromises in building a "dream car" from the initial canvas.  It's taken me 20+ years to figure that out.

 

So what you're saying is you don't want a datsun at all, and you just want to chop the vin off an early car and weld it into a custom chassis?

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11 hours ago, Michael said:

* Full chromoly tube chassis (custom designed, verified with extensive finite-elements modeling)

* Unequal A-arm suspension on all four corners, based on some blend between Miata and 5th/6th-gen Corvette (with suitable design and testing)

* Carbon-fiber body panels affixed to tube chassis, after proper wind-tunnel development

* LS7 (Chevy 4th-gen SBC) engine, twin turbo

* TBD gearbox

* Ford 9" differential and center-section, with suitable half-shafts and inboard brakes

* Lexan windshield etc.

* VIN from 1970 Datsun Z welded into firewall

 

In other words, the only Datsun part of the car would be registration as a Datsun.  It wouldn't even attempt to resemble at Datsun in its external lines, let alone internal components.  Why not?  Because there are too many compromises in building a "dream car" from the initial canvas.  It's taken me 20+ years to figure that out.

 Not sure why you'd want inboard brakes on a 9" rear end, but looks like this guy pretty much has the rest covered:


I think that car is the best that I've seen. I love it.  There are a couple things I would change, but not many.

I do like what I did with my own with the 15x14 wheels and slicks, but I'm sure he would smoke me on an autox course and road course wouldn't even be close as he's got an extra couple hundred hp on my L33 truck engine which should put out ~350whp.

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Harsh crowd here!

 

Having spent 20+ years tinkering with my Datsun, having it be my garage companion through several human relationships and countless too-human failures and foibles, I'm sentimentally attached to the machine.  But it's not what I really want.  It's my companion, yes - but not my dream.  And this thread asked about dreams.  The dream would be a truly iconic racing-car, that redefines the possibility of what's possible in vehicle-engineering.    Short of that, the mini-dream would still be a foray and achievement far beyond anything that I've been able to do, or might ever likely be able to do.  Thus, again, the term "dream".

 

As to reacquainting ourselves with hardnosed realism, the "dream" is to merely sort out and to render reliable what I've already tried to do.  The engine that I have currently installed has "potential" for some 500 hp (it is after all 461 cubic inches, with some top-shelf parts is semi-semblance of good order), though I doubt that it actually produces half as much.  The brakes... occasionally work. The car is squirrelly, ill-tempered, rough, more of a white-knuckle facsimile of amusement than anything serious on the road.  I dream of fixing that someday.

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The dream is exactly what it is, no need for rationale behind it. Someone could want to put a 12 inch lift kit on a Z and take it rallying, and some may want it so low that lane dividers become obstacles. Whatever the dream is, is whatever the dream is. Granted, removing everything but the vin is quite extreme lol.

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5 hours ago, Michael said:

Harsh crowd here!

 

Having spent 20+ years tinkering with my Datsun, having it be my garage companion through several human relationships and countless too-human failures and foibles, I'm sentimentally attached to the machine.  But it's not what I really want.  It's my companion, yes - but not my dream.  And this thread asked about dreams.  The dream would be a truly iconic racing-car, that redefines the possibility of what's possible in vehicle-engineering.    Short of that, the mini-dream would still be a foray and achievement far beyond anything that I've been able to do, or might ever likely be able to do.  Thus, again, the term "dream".

 

As to reacquainting ourselves with hardnosed realism, the "dream" is to merely sort out and to render reliable what I've already tried to do.  The engine that I have currently installed has "potential" for some 500 hp (it is after all 461 cubic inches, with some top-shelf parts is semi-semblance of good order), though I doubt that it actually produces half as much.  The brakes... occasionally work. The car is squirrelly, ill-tempered, rough, more of a white-knuckle facsimile of amusement than anything serious on the road.  I dream of fixing that someday.

 

Haha, I don't mean to say the other post is a bad dream build. I'm just thinking dream Datsun build. It's just so far out there from a Datsun build in my mind is all I'm saying. 

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Let me try with another analogy.  Toyota has in recent years been campaigning a NASCAR "Camry".  It's a beautiful machine!  As with all NASCAR entrants, it has tube-chassis and RWD and a big pushrod V8.  And so forth.  I'd love to buy one, and yes, drive it on the street - registered as an, ahem, Camry.

 

That's the direction that I'd like to go with a Z.  Why then even tangle with a Z at all?  Emotional connection, decades spent on it, personal feels of one or another kind, and the opportunity to register a maximum-effort track-only race car as a supposed street car.  My locale in principle allows that - well, maybe not, but it may still be possible without outright committing a crime.  At the very least there is no smog-check or equipment-inspection.

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